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This is the last project we've been working on for NAMM. It's a little brother to the Afterburner. There are a few details to be worked out and financing to be sourced but the goal is to put this into production at a really attractive street price.
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Welcome to the forum, vikunja. IMHO, you can't go wrong with any of Sheldon's creations. Good luck finding/funding your first Dingwall.
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Thanks Jedi bass Tricks and John H!

I used to have a MTD 535, and I was never happy with the B-string, except playing the open B :wink:

Looking forward to finding a Dingwall!
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Hi vikunja

welcome to the forum. I used to have a custom ordered MTD 535. Michael Tobias really did a super great job. He brought it with him to the Frankfurt show and everybody wanted to buy my bass out of all the MTDs he had there!!! Then my avatar Z1 arrived and sold the MTD to a very close friend (still at reach if I want to play it). This very Z1 was providing me with all the MTD sounds and much more than that. I am a big fan of Mr Tobias and his basses (and esp my 535) but there is something in the Dingwall basses that I just cannot ignore
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[quote="fullrangebass":1yv6lz6e]Hi vikunja

welcome to the forum. I used to have a custom ordered MTD 535. Michael Tobias really did a super great job. He brought it with him to the Frankfurt show and everybody wanted to buy my bass out of all the MTDs he had there!!! Then my avatar Z1 arrived and sold the MTD to a very close friend (still at reach if I want to play it). This very Z1 was providing me with all the MTD sounds and much more than that. I am a big fan of Mr Tobias and his basses (and esp my 535) but there is something in the Dingwall basses that I just cannot ignore[/quote:1yv6lz6e]

Thanks fullrangebass,

Coming from you as a MTD owner it's going to be even more easy to "migrate" over to a Dingwall! As mentioned before, I was really looking for one of the Z-series basses, but I'll have to wait a while to afford one of those. So will look either for a used ABI or this new import-series Dingwall.
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[quote="lomo":1ikealc1]Anyone know if there'll be a 4-banger in this model? It'd entice me to try a BEAD setup with a 36" B.....[/quote:1ikealc1]

Ditto, lomo. I was just thinking the same thing.

OH NO, it's true that you can't just own [i:1ikealc1]ONE[/i:1ikealc1]. Now I'm contemplating #2 after [i:1ikealc1]only[/i:1ikealc1] THREE MONTHS!

Good grief
[i:1ikealc1](sigh)[/i:1ikealc1]
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[quote="hipshot":1mazicpm]
OH NO, it's true that you can't just own [i:1mazicpm]ONE[/i:1mazicpm]. Now I'm contemplating #2 after [i:1mazicpm]only[/i:1mazicpm] THREE MONTHS!

Good grief
[i:1mazicpm](sigh)[/i:1mazicpm][/quote:1mazicpm]

And I was wondering who was setting the bad example here of owning several Dingwalls!!! :P :P :P . Now I know
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I played my first dingwall a couple weeks back and loved it. It was a afterburner 2 hollowbody. How will this new dingwall compare to that bass
will it still have the same action and fell? Is it gonna be the same type of\
quality that the afterburner 2 was and when will I be able to get my hands on one of these bad boys?
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I suppose we need to wait till we hear from Sheldon himself. I am certain that he would not put his name on any product if the product did not live up to his expectations. I expect that it will be a value for money bass for a lower price
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Hey Friends,

I need this prototype with 6 strings urgently!!!! :twisted:
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I want One !!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:
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There have been some changes as this project evolves.

1. The name GL is out. We're not 100% settled on the new name yet, but will be soon.

2. Cost, the deeper we look into all the costs involved, the less likely it will be that we can pull this off for a street of $800. The goal is to keep the price as low as possible, but balance that with an acceptable-to-us level of quality and performance. It has to perform to our standards period.

I'd appreciate some feedback as to target pricing. For this to fly we need to appeal to a wider range of players. Ones that are maybe buying their first quality bass, ones that are fanned-fret curious but don't want to spend a great deal on something they're not sure about, ones that need a working instrument to gig with that they can afford to take to less than desirable gigs.

3. Pickups - the off-shore pickups were nice and decent. I don't think they shared enough of the same tone signature that we've developed over the last 8 years that we've been developing our own pickups. So, the plan is to build the pickups ourselves. It will be costly to tool, but if we go with a single-coil design we should be able to make it work.

We've tested some single-coil prototypes and the tone is really good. The downside is the single-coil noise when either of the pickups are soloed. Future up-grades could involve a stacked single if their was substantial interest.

I'd appreciate some feedback on the pickup choice.

4. I'm considering going with 22 instead of 24. The reason being that our number one complaint is the upper frets. If we reduce the number of upper frets, that area becomes less cluttered looking when viewed from the players perspective. The fan also looks slightly less radical from all view points, the neck looks less long etc. Slap tone gets a little more beefy as you're working the strings a little further from the bridge.

The downside is that some people prefer 24 frets and possibly view 24 frets as being higher quality. A 22 fret body requires more heel protrusion meaning the heel intrudes into the playing area an extra two frets worth. (Yes we are going to have a heel on this model).

I'd like to hear your comments on 22/24 frets. We also have to envision what the non, but potential Dingwall players are going to prefer.

Thanks all.

Sheldon
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I think that even if the bass selling for 1200 dollars in stores that would be a fair price.
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I have no problem with fanned frets and I like 24 frets. If part of the concept is to make the bass "less cluttered", a 22 fret neck is good, too, but I would also like to see wider string spacing, especially down near the nut. I don't think that would add to the productions cost. (As if I knew what I knew what I was talking about.)

I also prefer a slightly arched fret board to flat ones. I guess what I've been longing for is a thin (not narrow) Fender style neck but with fanned frets. Would that increase the production cost?

Some people like the sound of single coil pick-ups but I would go straight for the stacked single option.

I play a few basses with big square heels and they've never bothered me. I probably wouldn't even notice more heel in one of your designs.
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Hi Sheldon

$1200 is getting somewhat close to AB1 territory (street circa $1900 for a 4 string), to save costs and re-tooling is there anyway you could work backwards from the current AB1 to achieve the cost savings required to make the price point without serious retooling etc? The 22-24 fret question is so subjective that it is almost a non starter, the bottom line is that some folks will be adamant 22 fret players, some will be 24 fret players and some wont really mind either way, this is most likely a case of not being able to please all the people all the time!

I quite liked the GL prototype you showed me although some of the hardware had a cheap look about it (that might just have been the chrome finish), the other unit you showed me (the black one) that came from the supplier really didn't reflect the standard of instrument that we have all come to associate with your fine work.

Ideas?, maybe an AB1 with a one piece body outsourced, coming in as few colours as possible, maybe with a 22 fret neck and only 1 pickup and dialled in to a particular Dingwall tone that would provide good general utility but not the specialized range of tones we are starting to demand (respectfully!).
I think my jazz tutor has a musicman that seems to be a bit like what I have described, anyhow there is my 10cents worth

Regards

Nic
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I am new to the forum as a member although I have been following it regularly, this is going to be my first post. :wink:
I personally prefer the feel of 22 frets and the open sound of single coils. Especially if stacked-coil is an option, that will take care of people who don't want to deal with 60-cycle-hum and as far as I know, being the first single-coil option for Dingwall, it may intrigue some single-coil lovers :lol:
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A few preliminary suggestions Sheldon:

Keep the same aspects as the Z's, AB's and budget model consistent ie scale length, STRING SPACING, MAKE THE SC'S HAVE THE SAME SIZE HOUSING as FD3's or the SJ/SJ Phatties SO PEOPLE CAN UPGRADE pu's later.

$1200 is around USA Fender and G&L prices. Your potential customers will consider USA to Offshore in their descision.

22 frets should be fine. People who think 22 frets = lesser quality are uneducated. A lot of them think 24 frets = a longer scale, which we know is not true.

String spacing should be 18mm so customers can upgrade to an AB bridge if they want (if you will allow that).

Being able to upgrade PU's w/out rerouting the cavities is going to be VERY IMPORTANT.

That's all I can think of for now Sheldon.
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If the string spacing remains the same, I don't think cutting back to 22 frets will be any incentive for slappers to buy it.

Definitely keep the AB scale length.
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall"]There have been some changes as this project evolves.

1. The name GL is out. We're not 100% settled on the new name yet, but will be soon.
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This is a good idea. I don
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let me ask....
if you keep the same scale length, what will the average players think about having to use speciality strings, esp strings you cant walk into guitar center and get
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[quote="FrankM":7cov5dzl]let me ask....
if you keep the same scale length, what will the average players think about having to use speciality strings, esp strings you cant walk into guitar center and get[/quote:7cov5dzl]

That's one of the reasons we're trying to get D'Addario on board.
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