Friday, 01 February 2008
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As someone who has probably been through 60+ sets of DW strings and never had a problem it's safe to say I am sticking with the program...HOWEVER... ........A couple days ago I got a last minute call to lay a track down for a friend. He said it was going to be easy, one tune, his bassist wasn't really feeling it, blah blah, the usual. WELL, I finally download the track and find that it's a bassline written by my friend(guitarist), he wants the bassline to stay the same for the most part, it's TOTALLY voiced way high(well out of my general grooving range), very very busy, and completely exposed in terms of the instrumentation, I instantly think flats. My Dingwall was requested specifically so my Precision was out the equation(I rarely track with anything else anyway)I end up replacing the A, D and G string with some flats I've had lying around the house for years that probably came from God knows where. The silk is hanging way over the nut on the A and D string and there were but all the playing was happening up around the 12th fret so I'm cool. My friend was happy with my track, I was pretty disgusted and refused payment, but in my heart I know I did well within the parameters given to me. In the past when a more "vintage" sound was desired I would put on a set of dead DW's(I have some well over 10 years old!)and bingo, I'm there! Even though I ended-up talking my friend into lowering the bassline a bit it was still high enough that flats where much more appropriate. While I suffered no technical problems with the "frankenflat" set-up I used, this experience made me realize that I need to have a set of flats for my Dingwall 5, and [b:dxty4nnn]FINALLY[/b:dxty4nnn], here is my question: What flats have the lowest tension, or probably better put, what are the lightest gauge flats that will fit my my bass? Thanks so much, sorry for the story but I thought it my have been interesting and possibly educational, it was for me!
13 years ago
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This is a perfect example of why we need Chromes optimized for DW's. The same guages and taper on the A, E & B string. It could be coming to a dealer near you soon. :wink:
13 years ago
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That aint helping me right now, LOL!! All kidding aside, what fits on 37.5" bass? Some experimentation many years ago(way back in the 90's, LOL!) led me do consider doctoring a set of low tension/solo UB strings but common sense prevailed, luckily.
13 years ago
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TI flats I've read have really low tension (small round core) if you can find them long enough.
13 years ago
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[quote="Funkshwey":18yshwo4]TI flats I've read have really low tension (small round core) if you can find them long enough.[/quote:18yshwo4] Yes, i agree. TI Flats are much lower tension that Chromes. Give 'Just Strings' or Thomastik a call and maybe they can hook you up with a set that will fit.
13 years ago
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If the TI flats fit (check the thread re alternate strings) I'm sure they're lower tension than the Chromes, which are heavyish (132 B) and feel tight as piano cables to me. However, the Chromes will produce a very pleasing vintage, full tone in passive mode. It's one of my favorite sounds and it still comes through in a mix.
13 years ago
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hi lomo I am ashamed that I had no time to place the Chrome flats on my AB I. Maybe tomorrow I will do and I will chime in
13 years ago
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I use TI Flats on my P.A. Get the Super Long Flats 36". You will have to trim about 1 ionch? of the silk off the B string and it will; fit nicely. They are JF365's. Be sure they are the super long.
13 years ago
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I may have to pick up some longer TI's as I haven't tried them on my DW's. Each to their own, but I prefer the TI Flats over the Chromes. Great strings...
13 years ago
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Thanks friends! Got the JF365 coming and I'll keep you posted. Hopefully I can post a clip of this sesh at some point, solo'd FD-3 neck pup with the mid and high knobs wide open sounded pretty robust.
13 years ago
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Hi, Installed the new flats, no silk trimming needed. I thought maybe because I have an older style bridge(strings don't go through the body)the trimming wasn't needed but Dingwall strings fit as they should on my bass so.....hm. Anyhow, I'm off to some tracking and then a gig on FLATS!!! This is all probably pretty boring to you folks, but it's downright WEIRD for me. Thanks so much for the help everybody! I'll continue boring you with updates... .........LPB
13 years ago
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lowphatbass - update please! :D
13 years ago
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This is good stuff Lowphat. Keep it coming. I suspect that the silk winding process could be a little on the random side. Some sets might require trimming while others not. Did your action change much?
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[quote="BassGreaser":11lcnwrm]I may have to pick up some longer TI's as I haven't tried them on my DW's. Each to their own, but I prefer the TI Flats over the Chromes. Great strings...[/quote:11lcnwrm] You'd have to REALLY prefer the TIs given the price difference! WOW! I just priced these on JustStrings and they want $76 with shipping!! That's nearly twice what I just paid for a set of Chromes from the PerfectBass with Talkbass discount.!
13 years ago
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TI's aren't cheap. Handmade in Austria.
13 years ago
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Anyone with info on these? http://www.rondomusic.com/indie5fw.html Never mind. I have found out that they are too short
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[quote="BuffaloBob":15yxvmct][quote="BassGreaser":15yxvmct]I may have to pick up some longer TI's as I haven't tried them on my DW's. Each to their own, but I prefer the TI Flats over the Chromes. Great strings...[/quote:15yxvmct] You'd have to REALLY prefer the TIs given the price difference! WOW! I just priced these on JustStrings and they want $76 with shipping!! That's nearly twice what I just paid for a set of Chromes from the PerfectBass with Talkbass discount.![/quote:15yxvmct] yes, they are more money, but they honestly last almost forever, if you wipe them down after use. for me they just sound and work better than chromes. although chromes would be my second choice for flats, but for a different feel and sound. i think i've tried just about every flat out there :D chromes are wonderful strings, and when looking at the spectrum of flats available, they are as unique as the TI flats, but for different reasons. there's just something special about the lower tension and sonic differences of TI flats... i also like that the heavier gauge TI string's wrap has a bit of space between them. it seems to negate the string drag that some flats have. they're just one of those sets of strings you have to try to understand the differences, granted they're not for everyone. :)
13 years ago
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Hello Friends, Here's an update: My first impression when installing the strings was the very high quality, the make and finish is equal to that of good quality UB strings. All the strings had plenty of head length to work with and as I mentioned before, no trimming of the silk wrapping was required. The ball-ends fit well. The B string makes a fairly tight orbit around the saddle, there some widening there between the outer wrapping of the string. It's difficult to say whether or not it could weaken or compromise the string over time. The same widening occurs on UBs where the string contacts the bridge, but that's a wood/metal situation, not metal/metal. None of the strings are tapered, I don't think many flats are. In this case I think a slight tapering of the B string would be beneficial, it's nice and "tight" and controlled, but could use just a tad more jump. I also feel like the B string could be a lighter gauge which would also liven things up. To answer your question about the action Sheldon: I raised the action at the bridge a little when I changed the strings. After breaking them in for 20 minutes or so the action was higher due to the change in neck relief. Nothing crazy, it was considerable, but still completely playable considering I wanted my action higher anyway for the specific work I've been doing in the studio. The action hasn't moved since then and I don't anticipate having to make any adjustments when I put the rounds back on. Tone wise I don't have much to compare them with. I was pleased with the articulation of the upper mids, there's definitely some "cut" available if needed, good definition. The only thing I'm not happy with is the B string, again I think it's a matter of finding the right combination of gauge and taper. Players that use their B strings infrequently, of for "effect" could probably live with this. I ride my B(b) string and in my case the ability to produce incredibly natural tones down through this range may be the one trait I value the most in my bass.
13 years ago
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[quote="BassGreaser":35bchc18][quote="BuffaloBob":35bchc18][quote="BassGreaser":35bchc18]I may have to pick up some longer TI's as I haven't tried them on my DW's. Each to their own, but I prefer the TI Flats over the Chromes. Great strings...[/quote:35bchc18] You'd have to REALLY prefer the TIs given the price difference! WOW! I just priced these on JustStrings and they want $76 with shipping!! That's nearly twice what I just paid for a set of Chromes from the PerfectBass with Talkbass discount.![/quote:35bchc18] yes, they are more money, but they honestly last almost forever, if you wipe them down after use. for me they just sound and work better than chromes. although chromes would be my second choice for flats, but for a different feel and sound. i think i've tried just about every flat out there :D chromes are wonderful strings, and when looking at the spectrum of flats available, they are as unique as the TI flats, but for different reasons. there's just something special about the lower tension and sonic differences of TI flats... i also like that the heavier gauge TI string's wrap has a bit of space between them. it seems to negate the string drag that some flats have. they're just one of those sets of strings you have to try to understand the differences, granted they're not for everyone. :)[/quote:35bchc18] Tell me about the sonic differences that you like in the TIs. I don't mind higher string tension, but I am curious about the tonal differences. I am about to try the Chromes for the first time. I love my early vintage ABII, but the FD1s can be a bit harsh in the upper mids. I installed the HTC and that helped, but I am still looking for a bit more behaved response in the upper mids, but without sacrificing low end growl and clarity in the highs.
13 years ago
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String choices are so subjective, but here goes. Like other flats I
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[quote="BassGreaser"]String choices are so subjective, but here goes. Like other flats I
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