Friday, 26 October 2007
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So here I am, looking at doing my next Dingwall. It's going to be a Z2. I want to get a really aggressive tone from it, and I'm looking for the right preamp. I'm also looking to have a mellow preamp in my current ABII. Now, AFAIK, Aguilar is more aggressive, Bartolini is more mellow sounding, and that John East thing is really transparent. I don't know if these impressions are correct, if there even is a difference, or if I'm totally off-base. That's why I'm here. I'd like a list of preamps that can either mellow out or intensify a bass's tone. Can anybody help? PS: I wanted opinions of Dingwallers, but this is also on talkbass, to get more traffic. The thread is here: [url:1ob2luhy]http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4837050[/url:1ob2luhy]
14 years ago
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I prefer passive basses for their simplicity and lack of batteries, but I'd love to hear a Dinger with an Audere pre.... maybe yours could be the 1st? The reviews I read have been glowing.
14 years ago
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The audere stuff has me VERY intrigued. I'm just trying to figure out whether or not I could keep my 4-way switch. It doesn't look like it.
14 years ago
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As some of you know, I have a custom John East preamp (with two overlapping sweepable midrange bands) in my ABII. While it does give me much more on-board EQ flexibility, I do think that the characteristic "bark" of the stock setup with Aguilar OBP-1 has been mellowed a bit with the change in preamp. Good luck.
14 years ago
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One of the things that was a requirement when searching for my Dingwall was that it have an OBP-3. Now, what I've realized is that the bass is awesome even in passive mode. It doesn't [i:1ne06ubm]need[/i:1ne06ubm] a preamp, but having one just aids in flexibility. If I can get a preamp with the flexibility of a 4-band EQ and 5 Z-modes with transparency close to passive, there's no reason I shouldn't go for it. No matter what preamp I go for, it will only be 9V. That's okay, I play with a light touch. And I need 9V for LEDs!!! :twisted:
14 years ago
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Hm. I've heard great things about the Glockenklang onboard pre, it is supposed to be very hi-fi and transparent... but have no personal experience. I am very happy with my Glockenklang head though. I recently contacted Udo at Glockenklang for an onboard to replace my bartolini... I haven't decided if I'll keep my bass active yet, but if I do that's what I'm getting. He was also positive about making me a pre with a different mid frequency point than his normal one, so he might be able to make you just what you want.
14 years ago
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I looked at the Glockenklang. My problem with that was if I'm going to lose the 4-way selector, I want a good alternative. The Audere's active mixing seems like a cool trick. The fact that it's loudest in the center doesn't bother me, because I'm used to adjusting my volume and EQ when switching between neck, bridge, and series DW settings. The extreme flexibility has got me really excited.
14 years ago
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Well, I'm not so sure you'll have to lose the 4-way with the Glock - maybe you could ask from him to build you a version of his preamp based on the 4-way selector instead of the blend. I think it should be possible, but you have to check this with Udo.
14 years ago
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I have a Bartolini in my AB and the Aguilar in my Z2. Originally, the Bart was in my Z2 and my AB was passive. But, I like to tinker. Most often, the controls on either bass are at their center detent--I don't use the EQ that often. That said, I do like the tone difference the buffering of the preamp provides when I switch my Z2 from active to passive. Both are very quiet and very high headroom--I think I like the EQ of the Aguilar a little more, but I like the internal volume trim pot on the Bartolini system. One thing to check is 9v capability. I'm not sure if the OBP-3 is OK with just 9v. With the Bartolini, I know that you get it in either the 9 or 18v version. So, I don't see a huge difference or differentiation between the Barts and the Aguilar. The Audere, on the other hand, offers a lot of unique options and it seems to be drawing some VERY favorable comments. Personally, I'd get one with the Z-switch and the active blending and skip EQ and volume controls. My Z2 has suprised me with how different the front and back pickups sound, considering how close together they are...so I get most of my variation through pickup selection. Let us know which way you go and how you like the results. John
14 years ago
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[quote="groovaholic":181ruskm] My Z2 has suprised me with how different the front and back pickups sound, considering how close together they are...so I get most of my variation through pickup selection. John[/quote:181ruskm] +1
14 years ago
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Sheldon, does your "+1" mean that you too were suprised by the tonal flexibility of the Z2? I know that the Z2 design originated with a customer request--were you initially skeptical about the tonal variety available. Or, does your "+1" mean that you also prefer pickup selection over EQ when it comes to tonal manipulation? Both? Anyhow, my Z2 is THE BEAST. Other builders' high-end or boutique basses seem a little too polite and refined for me. The Z2, on the other hand, is flat-out BALLSY--which inspires me to play fairly aggressively--which can be spooky when I remember that it would cost me upwards of $4000 to replace it. So, I like having my Afterburner for the dives and house parties...and it's a great sounding bass in its own right. But, back to topic, I'd love to hear first hand reports of how the Audere performs in a Dingwall. John
14 years ago
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I love both my Z2s. They are different animals altogether and they provide tones quite different to the Z1s that I own. I'm hardly using the preamp(s) on them (on any of my Dingwalls really)
14 years ago
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[quote="fullrangebass":1nw95nfl]I'm hardly using the preamp(s) on them (on any of my Dingwalls really)[/quote:1nw95nfl] Ahh, another testimonial for the virtues of passivity :-)
14 years ago
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Up until FD1's I was an active bass fanatic. After that I have piece of mind. 1-3 9V batteries per bass cost a bass to replace (not just an arm and a leg). You can see the rhyme, right??? 8) :P . Plus the sound is perfect to start with!!!!
14 years ago
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I know Fullrange has said stuff about how a preamp isn't something you should put in such an expensive instrument. One of the reasons I'd like to try the Audere is the clarity I hear it has. I'm excited to get to hear the detail that the Audere lets through compared to an OBP-3. I live on active tone controls, so going passive isn't my favorite option.
14 years ago
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My vote is definitely for the Aggie if you want aggresive. It's plenty powerfull with 9V. A litttle bass boost really goes a long way with this thing. Mostly I use it flat for the buffering properties that groovaholic mentioned, and change pickup positions for tone variation depending on the song. But I almost always add a little bass boost when in the bridge position. That is probably my favorite tone from my ABI. I agree with Morris that the basses sound fantastic passive. I don't think the AB's [i:3oss6w13]need [/i:3oss6w13]a preamp, but it does add a little more flexibilty. I really like having the ability to adjust my sound from the bass. I just leave my amp set flat and EQ for the room or specific song from my bass. For direct recording, I really like the Aguilar too. It has a certain tube-like character to it.
14 years ago
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[quote="Zac Hammons":3rlb02y7]My vote is definitely for the Aggie if you want aggressive.[/quote:3rlb02y7] I'm planning on reusing it in my next "aggressive" bass. Hopefully a Z2, but for financial reasons, more likely an ABI. [quote="Zac Hammons":3rlb02y7]I agree with Morris that the basses sound fantastic passive. I don't think the AB's [i:3rlb02y7]need [/i:3rlb02y7]a preamp, but it does add a little more flexibilty. I really like having the ability to adjust my sound from the bass. I just leave my amp set flat and EQ for the room or specific song from my bass. [/quote:3rlb02y7] That's exactly why I'm after the Audere. I EQ for the room using my amp (SM-400S, so 7-band EQ: Bass, Treble, and Ultra-Highs, plus 4 parametric bands). Then I dial in just the right tone from my bass.
14 years ago
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[quote="nastyn8c":2c3p40pj]I'm planning on reusing it in my next "aggressive" bass. Hopefully a Z2, but for financial reasons, more likely an ABI.[/quote:2c3p40pj] Having played a Z2, I'd say by all means save up and get one. So what if it takes 6 months more... just MHO.
14 years ago
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[quote="nastyn8c":hf4zklks] That's exactly why I'm after the Audere. I EQ for the room using my amp (SM-400S, so 7-band EQ: Bass, Treble, and Ultra-Highs, plus 4 parametric bands). Then I dial in just the right tone from my bass.[/quote:hf4zklks] I'm not familiar with the Audere. Really, I think it would be hard to make a bad choice. The bass will sound great no matter what preamp you choose 8) .
14 years ago
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[quote="Dragonlord":fbuoigby][quote="nastyn8c":fbuoigby]I'm planning on reusing it in my next "aggressive" bass. Hopefully a Z2, but for financial reasons, more likely an ABI.[/quote:fbuoigby] Having played a Z2, I'd say by all means save up and get one. So what if it takes 6 months more... just MHO.[/quote:fbuoigby] That's kind of what I was thinking. By the time I'll be able to afford a new bass, I'll probably be out of college. Until then, I'm working on the upgrades to my ABII. I would love a Prima or Z for the feel (thinner neck), but I've also come to appreciate my bass as a boutique instrument more than I used to. Many of my friends have called it the best bass they've ever heard.
14 years ago
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[quote="Dragonlord":2tlstuxq][quote="nastyn8c":2tlstuxq]I'm planning on reusing it in my next "aggressive" bass. Hopefully a Z2, but for financial reasons, more likely an ABI.[/quote:2tlstuxq] Having played a Z2, I'd say by all means save up and get one. So what if it takes 6 months more... just MHO.[/quote:2tlstuxq] Definitely more than just '6 months more' right now as far as I can tell. :? I'm coming up on the 2 year anniversary of my deposit date for my Z...and as far as I can tell, Sheldon and the crew are more than a bit busy these days! If what happened with the introduction of the Super J happens with the SJ-5 then things may stretch out even further!
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