Tuesday, 22 January 2008
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I'm picking up my ABII tomorrow - noticed that the pics from the Namm booth show it has off-centre marker dots on the face of the fingerboard, -between the D & G strings - unlike most ABIIs, which are plain. I see these are commonly used on Z's & Prima's... Guess I'll find out soon enough (!), but was wondering how useful they are and whether they can actually be seen...(not that I'm suggesting for a moment that Sheldon would design something with no real use!). Any thoughts anyone?
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With my limited experience with Dingwalls (I need to check how many have that kind of fret markers, IIRC my Prima Artist and Sklar's Prima have that type of markers; this is a disadvantage of a large herd :wink: :wink: :wink: ) I have absolutely no problem to view the side dots between D and G strings
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My new Prima Artist has the small offset dots. I have to admit I rely on the side markers as I cannot see the fretboard markers in the lower register. I can see them better in the upper register. I just ordered a Z3 and I probably will not get fretboard markers on that one. My other handmade basses don't have any fretboard markers so maybe I just got used to using the side dots. They certainly don't bother me by being there and the sound and quality of the bass is really what's important. Enjoy!! as I know you will. dsincjr
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[quote="fullrangebass":8scjn0o8]With my limited experience with Dingwalls (I need to check how many have that kind of fret markers, IIRC my Prima Artist and Sklar's Prima have that type of markers; this is a disadvantage of a large herd :wink: :wink: :wink: ) I have absolutely no problem to view the side dots between D and G strings[/quote:8scjn0o8] Yes, I'm sure it must be hard for you to remember which basses have what - perhaps you should keep a photo wallet with a pic of each one for easy reference :lol:
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[quote="dsincjr":2k9yf9dy]My new Prima Artist has the small offset dots. I have to admit I rely on the side markers as I cannot see the fretboard markers in the lower register. I can see them better in the upper register. I just ordered a Z3 and I probably will not get fretboard markers on that one. My other handmade basses don't have any fretboard markers so maybe I just got used to using the side dots. They certainly don't bother me by being there and the sound and quality of the bass is really what's important. Enjoy!! as I know you will. dsincjr[/quote:2k9yf9dy] Thanks, that's kind of what I suspected, but I played an unlined Wal fretless 5 for many years and that only had dot markers on the side edge, so I don't expect any problems...I was wondering if the off-centre dots had any bearing on the fanned frets ie., makes them easier to navigate and it seems more help is needed in the upper register anyway...but whatever, I like the look of them: I think they suit the fanned fret look...(I'm already starting to see parallel-fret basses as odd-looking :shock: )
14 years ago
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On very difficult songs and pieces that I don't know by heart, I hold my bass with the neck at a 45 degrees angle so it's easier for me to both look at the neck and read the chart(s)
14 years ago
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I'm pretty sure all of the upper-tier Dingwalls come w/ the smaller MOP dots on the fretboard as standard, unless the buyer specifies otherwise. I had Sheldon put dots on my ABI recently. It helps enormously on dim stages. lt looks like dots are now standard issue on all AB lines . Another good idea! Mark
14 years ago
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In my experience, face markers are more to the benefit of those you share the stage with, and less for you. My AB-1 has not face markers and my new Z will have two "fretboard landmarks" for when I play with people who may not know our material as well as others.
14 years ago
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As a result of a thread on this forum we've started installing dots on all Afterburners. The advantage is mostly in the upper frets where the higher angle of the frets makes it a little harder to get a reference using the side dots. Lee Sklar came up with the between the 1st and 2nd string positions and we've stuck with that.
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":1yku39nr]As a result of a thread on this forum we've started installing dots on all Afterburners. The advantage is mostly in the upper frets where the higher angle of the frets makes it a little harder to get a reference using the side dots. Lee Sklar came up with the between the 1st and 2nd string positions and we've stuck with that.[/quote:1yku39nr] The dots help so much. My problem with fanned frets has been above the 12th fret, where I sometimes tend to over-shoot with double stops and chords. I suppose that 4 years with Dingwalls still has not completely erased the 35 years of muscle memory developed by playing parallel frets. It's the short strings that seem to give the most trouble. Lee definitely was right-on with his idea to place the dots on the treble side. The dots as standard issue on ABs is a great idea. Mark
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14 years ago
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Funny....I've already priced having dots put in the 15th, 17th, and so on, since these have been the problem spots for me as well. I've put off having it done, since I don't know if I'm ready to let someone mess with my AB I's neck. I'd hate to have to kill somebody if they screw up my baby (joking, of course)! If I do decide to take the risk, is there any special considerations for Dingwalls to tell the luthier?
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[quote="JEDI BASS TRICKS":2onjyfg7]Funny....I've already priced having dots put in the 15th, 17th, and so on, since these have been the problem spots for me as well. I've put off having it done, since I don't know if I'm ready to let someone mess with my AB I's neck. I'd hate to have to kill somebody if they screw up my baby (joking, of course)! If I do decide to take the risk, is there any special considerations for Dingwalls to tell the luthier?[/quote:2onjyfg7] I wouldn't trust my Dingwall to just anybody. I had Sheldon do my AB. Indeed, he does all of my mods. If you have somebody local that has a good reputation, you can take your bass there. However, you should get refrences and/or see some of their work in person before you let them touch your Dingwall. Mark
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I love the looks and position of the small dots, it was a great idea and they definitely help above the 12th fret as per Sheldon's post.
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":1ta2b4sk]As a result of a thread on this forum we've started installing dots on all Afterburners. The advantage is mostly in the upper frets where the higher angle of the frets makes it a little harder to get a reference using the side dots. Lee Sklar came up with the between the 1st and 2nd string positions and we've stuck with that.[/quote:1ta2b4sk] Any chance AB-II owners (older models) can get these dots retro-fitted by you Sheldon?
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[quote="Brim":2gtpi43t][quote="Sheldon Dingwall":2gtpi43t]As a result of a thread on this forum we've started installing dots on all Afterburners. The advantage is mostly in the upper frets where the higher angle of the frets makes it a little harder to get a reference using the side dots. Lee Sklar came up with the between the 1st and 2nd string positions and we've stuck with that.[/quote:2gtpi43t] Any chance AB-II owners (older models) can get these dots retro-fitted by you Sheldon?[/quote:2gtpi43t] I asked about having side dots installed on my ABII-5 fretless and was quoted $200. I'm not sure if that includes customs which IIRC is $60.00
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[quote="Brim":1x4ylw9x]Any chance AB-II owners (older models) can get these dots retro-fitted by you Sheldon?[/quote:1x4ylw9x] I'd love to know the answer to this. I've even gone so far as to look into the LED's to solve my problem, unless Sheldon can do it for cheaper. When I asked about dots from a good place here in Florida, it was going to be more expensive than LED's because it would require a refret. :?
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[quote="nastyn8c":1pu0sbwi][quote="Brim":1pu0sbwi]Any chance AB-II owners (older models) can get these dots retro-fitted by you Sheldon?[/quote:1pu0sbwi] I'd love to know the answer to this. I've even gone so far as to look into the LED's to solve my problem, unless Sheldon can do it for cheaper. When I asked about dots from a good place here in Florida, it was going to be more expensive than LED's because it would require a refret. :?[/quote:1pu0sbwi] You need to find another luthier.
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Hey nastyn8c (fellow Dr Bass owner :D ), yeah...find another luthier!! All dots require is a small route-out to sink the dot into. Of course you need the right tools, which any luthier should have.
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