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  Wednesday, 02 January 2008
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I just finished the NAMM Z3 prototype body. It will go into sanding and prep tomorrow. Trying to decide on the color now. The front runners are a really vibrant greenburst or blueburst. Feel free to cast your vote. All the best in the new year. Sheldon
13 years ago
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Yes i know the pickups are in the right place harmonically, but due to the thinness of the p'ups, its looks random, and crowded. My G/F said the same thing when i showed her a picture. Her response was, he couldn't make up her mind where he wanted to put them?
13 years ago
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then its about the decision looks vs sound. i know which one i'd choose every day of the year, wanna guess? :D
13 years ago
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I certainly have no problem with the pickup placement. I think it looks great. This is going to be a showstopper at NAMM.
13 years ago
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I agree about it looking crowded. At the same time though, I was talking with Sheldon about a mod with two FD3's and one FD1 around the same time this idea first got thrown around. This looks much better than my idea would have :) This is the next bass I'm buying, for sure.
13 years ago
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[quote="FrankM":1g5xm6zg]It beautiful- Sheldon-- are you sure you can't push the 2 bridge p'ups back a little. The bass-- well just looks crowded, kinda like you couldn't decide where to put the pickups Sorry bout being critical, the colors nice :^)[/quote:1g5xm6zg] In my drawings 3 pickups look crowded - at least until you get used to them - no matter how they are arranged. I realize they look somewhat randomly placed, but if you draw a line down the center of each pickup, the lines all converge at a common point. So harmonically speaking they are correctly located. If we see enough resistance to the look, I'd be into testing a sandwich later on - nothing like letting theory get in the way of things. That being said, IME a change of position of only 1/4" makes a noticeable difference in tone.
13 years ago
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I'm looking forward to seeing it at NAMM and hearing it as my guess is, because it is spoken for, it will not be available for a test drive by the general public? To bad it's spken for it would be in my stable. Dingwall Sales bring your order book to NAMM. HA!HA! Regards, David
13 years ago
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You should keep the option open to have it exactly like you have it now. People that pay for 3 pu's are probably going to want to see 3 pu's. I would opt for tone over looks any day. But if you do a redesign, consider doing a pu housing that is parallel w/the strings top and bottom for a better thumb rest. A good example would be the Snotburst Z2. Just make the pu housing 1/3 as long from bridge to headstock and follow the fan. Keep the corners nice and round. Ergonomically it would be a winner. It might help those w/FOFF off the fence to purchase one if the pu's didn't "look" random. I'm refering to FD3 placement.
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The ramp of the "Brazil" (the formal name of the snotburst :wink: ) does not allow to have a lot of dynamics in your playing. I have a very light touch but sometimes I go for wild pounding but it can't be easily done with the ramp (at least by me). Maybe a different style of ramp would be an option. I'll draw sth and email Sheldon to check
13 years ago
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[quote="fullrangebass":1cujkr1u]The ramp of the "Brazil" (the formal name of the snotburst :wink: ) does not allow to have a lot of dynamics in your playing. I have a very light touch but sometimes I go for wild pounding but it can't be easily done with the ramp (at least by me). Maybe a different style of ramp would be an option. I'll draw sth and email Sheldon to check[/quote:1cujkr1u] I was refering to the parallelness of the top and bottom of the pu B-G side, not it's ramp qualities.
13 years ago
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Sheldon, The Z3 is beautiful. Fantastic job! Please do not change the pickup placement/style when you build mine. If the current placement is the best sonically and for tone, KEEP IT! I think that between the SJ5 and the Z3 you will own NAMM.
13 years ago
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[quote="FrankM":1slxvde8]Yes i know the pickups are in the right place harmonically, but due to the thinness of the p'ups, its looks random, and crowded. My G/F said the same thing when i showed her a picture. Her response was, he couldn't make up her mind where he wanted to put them?[/quote:1slxvde8] form follows function....:-) if you put three PU's on such a small place... it looks a little bit "owercrowded" anywhere....the "best positions" in my opinion are the best sounding ones... not the best looking ones;-)
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[quote="LaFaro":1uy9t8ey][quote="FrankM":1uy9t8ey]Yes i know the pickups are in the right place harmonically, but due to the thinness of the p'ups, its looks random, and crowded. My G/F said the same thing when i showed her a picture. Her response was, he couldn't make up her mind where he wanted to put them?[/quote:1uy9t8ey] form follows function....:-) if you put three PU's on such a small place... it looks a little bit "owercrowded" anywhere....the "best positions" in my opinion are the best sounding ones... not the best looking ones;-)[/quote:1uy9t8ey] +1 The more I look at it, the more I like it. There's no doubt this bass means business. :twisted: Can't wait for mine! Mark
13 years ago
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Simply breathtaking.
13 years ago
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Well first of all I have to say that the playability of this bass is beyond belief. Many of you know that a custom bass by Sheldon is absolute top end so far as feel feel goes. From top to bottom the feel is amazingly consistent unlike most bases where you really feel like you're playing 3 basses - one at the bottom, one in the middle, and one at the top cause the string height or something is so different. And then tone - great midrange bite! I'm really focusing on my two favorite sounds - jazz and musicman. The jazz sound I thought at first captured what I liked about Marcus Miller's tone. I would just add that the DW PU's had a more phat high mid sound that made it easier to hear the fingerstyle playing vs. the snapping. If I could have any sound I wanted - this would be it!! Musicman (Z2): I've got another Prima Z2. Between the two I'd say this sounds more like a traditional musicman tone 'cept more like the hot rodded basslines double magnet PU's with the basslines pre which is much more chunky in the mix. What really got me today was a recording I was doing where I just went direct to the channel - no eq, compression, tubes, anything.... It sounded just right naked! Wow - Sheldon keeps pushing the envelope!
13 years ago
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[quote="TwoPort":19appyfd]Well first of all I have to say that the playability of this bass is beyond belief. Many of you know that a custom bass by Sheldon is absolute top end so far as feel feel goes. From top to bottom the feel is amazingly consistent unlike most bases where you really feel like you're playing 3 basses - one at the bottom, one in the middle, and one at the top cause the string height or something is so different. And then tone - great midrange bite! I'm really focusing on my two favorite sounds - jazz and musicman.00 ...If I could have any sound I wanted - this would be it!! Wow - Sheldon keeps pushing the envelope![/quote:19appyfd] You know, I have three amazing Dingwalls. You would think that would make things easier, but the wait for my Z3 is downright painful! :twisted: Please come soon! :D Mark
13 years ago
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Hey TwoPort, Glad to hear your comments on the Z3 and SJ5 and that they are working for you. These were the tones we were aiming for, but having it confirmed by someone with ears as refined as yours means a lot.
13 years ago
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They say if you don't ask the question you won't get the answer, so here it is. The two sounds youwere getting Jazz as in Fender Jazz? and Musicman, what is that? I have a Z3 on order and I'm just wondering what to expect. I currently have a Prima Artist that sounds wonderful. How will the Z3 compare tone wise. I did get a chance to hold and play the one at NAMM, is that yours Twoport? however it was very noisey and I only had a few minutes so I really can't comment except for the playability and comfort. The neck is basically the same as my Prima. Best 5 string I have ever played. Your comments are great and if you can add a few I would appreciate it Twoport. Thank you.
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[quote="TwoPort":2x3v1arw]Wow - Sheldon keeps pushing the envelope![/quote:2x3v1arw] I got a chance to do a thorough test drive of the Z3 last Friday thanks to the generosity of TwoPort. Here is some of what I learned and some impressions: The new Fatty pickups seem very well balanced and have a nice bump in the mids. This gives the attack that little extra "burp" as Sheldon aptly describes it. I played along with some of our band's tunes through headphones and had no trouble with the pups cutting through the mix while not a bit of harshness was detected. Both the lows and highs were clear and I got the mid growl that I like as well. The 3 pickup configuration allows for really nice tonal combinations, too. It was nice to essentially be playing a Z1 one instant and, with the twist of a knob, in the next be playing a Z2. The bridge pup is in roughly the same position as the bridge pup on the ABs (generalizing from my rudimentary measurements on my ABII) while the neck pup on the Z3 is positioned forward of the ABs' in the same harmonic region that the neck pup of a Jazz bass is positioned. The middle pup's position just in front of the bridge pup gives the mids some extra depth and punch. From there, it just gets better. Perhaps the ultimate beauty/genius of the new Dingwall designs is the built-in flexibility in tone shaping offered by the individually selectable internal pickup wiring. Like their DW predecessors, the new Fatty pups for the Z3 are split coil, which means that, with their additional internal wiring and additional external switching, the pickups can be internally linked in series or in parallel with the flip of a switch. (The new Z1s, Z2s and PAs will have the same switchable internal linking options built into their pickups, too.) In it's current configuration, the Z3 offers the following options. (PU Selection on Selector Knob - Internal Pickup Wiring Options) Solo Bridge - internal series linking, only. Bridge/Middle in Series with each other - bridge pup in series, middle pup in series or parallel. Bridge/Neck in Parallel with each other - bridge pup in series, neck pup in series or parallel. Solo Neck - internal series or parallel linking. Unless I forgot something, there are 7 possible tonal combinations achievable organically, that is to say, without ever turning on the pre amp. Two new favorite settings I discovered are 1) the Z2 setting (pups in series) with the bridge pup internally linked in series (like a Mach II) and the middle pickup internally linked in parallel and 2) the neck pup soloed and internally linked in series. There is much more to explore and I look forward to the day my Z3 arrives. Thanks again to TwoPort for helping me decide which DW to choose (this time around :D ) and to Sheldon for making such a fine instrument. I guess I better change my signature one of these days. John
13 years ago
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OK, enough already, I never thought I would be replacing my beloved AB1, but the amazing Z3 has finally done it, I will be ordering one. Sheldon, have you figured out colour and wood options yet? Is there a spec and options sheet available or is this an 'on the phone or e-mail job?' Thanks for making these incredible basses come to life Nic
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[quote="Nic DB":2d1ma8k7]OK, enough already, I never thought I would be replacing my beloved AB1, but the amazing Z3 has finally done it, I will be ordering one. Sheldon, have you figured out colour and wood options yet? Is there a spec and options sheet available or is this an 'on the phone or e-mail job?' Nic[/quote:2d1ma8k7] Ahh, Nic takes the plunge. You know, the options available are many. There are a bunch of colors to choose from, and I'm sure Sheldon will even do a custom color of your choice. I would email the shop or Dingwall Sales for a current price list. It will list all the colors and woods available for the Z. I'm pretty sure the sky is the limit on the high-end Dingwalls. Recall the Snotburst Z? Remember- if you live near a Dingwall retailer, you will have to order from them. Happy Z planning, Nic! :) So, are you selling the AB now? Mark
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