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Why is the seventh fret perpendicular to the neck ? Why not the twelfth fret or some other one ? Would changing the placement of the perpendicular fret make the resulting instrument unplayable ?
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[quote="wsmerwin":8byiune9]Why is the seventh fret perpendicular to the neck ? Why not the twelfth fret or some other one ? Would changing the placement of the perpendicular fret make the resulting instrument unplayable ?[/quote:8byiune9] Yes.
11 years ago
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Based on the individual scale lengths of each string, that's just the way it turns out.
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[quote="Smallmouth_Bass":3r437ceq]Based on the individual scale lengths of each string, that's just the way it turns out.[/quote:3r437ceq] No. You could start the spreading from 34" to 37" at any point on the fretboard. But it would make no sense to begin at the first or last fret, or at the bridge. The fretboard would look like this (above you see the Dingwall fretboard): [img:3r437ceq]http://www.bassklinik.de/Fotos/Forum/Fanned-101012.jpg[/img:3r437ceq] Could be hard to play ... :wink:
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I see what you mean. I was thinking that the spread is even across the strings at either end. So, there would be 1.5" (B-string) on either side of the 34" scale length (G-string) and the rest fall evenly in between. Otherwise, if you were to do it all at one end, either the fretboard would be unmanageable in the low frets or the bridge would be way out of whack and it would create problems for the plucking hand.
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Ha! You beat me to it!
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[quote="DeepDee":29wxq6hr][quote="Smallmouth_Bass":29wxq6hr]Based on the individual scale lengths of each string, that's just the way it turns out.[/quote:29wxq6hr] No. You could start the spreading from 34" to 37" at any point on the fretboard. But it would make no sense to begin at the first or at the last fret. The fretboard would look like this (above you see the Dingwall fretboard): [img:29wxq6hr]http://www.bassklinik.de/Fotos/Forum/Fanned-101012.jpg[/img:29wxq6hr][/quote:29wxq6hr] This pic reminds me of the art work of M.C. Escher :) [img:29wxq6hr]http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/mc-escher-ascending-overpopulation1.jpg[/img:29wxq6hr]
11 years ago
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:)
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How would the neck look if the twelfth fret were perpendicular to it ? Why is the perpendicular seventh fret better then the perpendicular twelfth fret ?
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All it does is move around the fan of the frets, just like what DD said. If you make the 12th fret parallel, then the frets are "fanned" more at the nut, making the guitar unplayable. (I think I got that right. . . :? ) Guitarded on the forum here made a fanned fret bass that had the frets more parallel near the heel for easier playing down there. It's just all the way you build it.
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We tested the "hinge fret" position in several places including the 12th fret. Although placement at the 12th makes the upper frets more easily adaptable, it makes the lower frets less so. My feeling has always been that the majority of notes that a working bass player plays are below the 12th fret so the 7th fret hinge position places the least angled frets in the center of the "money frets".
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[quote="TheGrandEnigma":8p6o520j]Guitarded on the forum here made a fanned fret bass that had the frets more parallel near the heel for easier playing down there. It's just all the way you build it.[/quote:8p6o520j] That was a Novax neck. It was a really nice playing bass, but I moved it out to buy my Thunderbird bass back. Mark
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":2y0fun8e]We tested the "hinge fret" position in several places including the 12th fret. Although placement at the 12th makes the upper frets more easily adaptable, it makes the lower frets less so. My feeling has always been that the majority of notes that a working bass player plays are below the 12th fret so the 7th fret hinge position places the least angled frets in the center of the "money frets".[/quote:2y0fun8e] Having owned a Novax, I can say I agree with Sheldon's assessment. The fan was too radical down by the nut. Chords and runs were easier up high, though. "Money frets"....that's a good one. We don't want to be accused of "not playing bass", right? Mark
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[quote="guitarded":ck0e4fek][quote="TheGrandEnigma":ck0e4fek]Guitarded on the forum here made a fanned fret bass that had the frets more parallel near the heel for easier playing down there. It's just all the way you build it.[/quote:ck0e4fek] That was a Novax neck. It was a really nice playing bass, but I moved it out to buy my Thunderbird bass back. Mark[/quote:ck0e4fek]
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It would be funny to see a Dingwall doubleneck: the lower neck a classic 7th perpendicular 5-string, the upper neck a 12th perpendicular E-C 5-string for chords and soloing. To most people it would look like the most unnecessary thing ever made. It would certainly pass the qualifications to run for that title :roll:
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[quote="Bocete":19zhykb3]It would be funny to see a Dingwall doubleneck: the lower neck a classic 7th perpendicular 5-string, the upper neck a 12th perpendicular E-C 5-string for chords and soloing. To most people it would look like the most unnecessary thing ever made. It would certainly pass the qualifications to run for that title :roll:[/quote:19zhykb3] Ha ha ha! Sheldon, any plans? That would be the definition of EPIC!
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[quote="TheGrandEnigma":1m1zya1d] Ha ha ha! Sheldon, any plans? That would be the definition of EPIC![/quote:1m1zya1d] Only if I can string it and fret it reverse. :D
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":3m0olt93]We tested the "hinge fret" position in several places including the 12th fret. Although placement at the 12th makes the upper frets more easily adaptable, it makes the lower frets less so. My feeling has always been that the majority of notes that a working bass player plays are below the 12th fret so the 7th fret hinge position places the least angled frets in the center of the "money frets".[/quote:3m0olt93] Here's a couple of photos of one of Sheldon's tests. This is Earl Pereira, formerly of Wide Mouth Mason. It looks like the "hinge" is on the 12th fret. When I saw it I said to him, "How can your bass be only "half fanned"? I guess if the frets extended all the way up to the bridge they would have been fanned up there, too. If I remember correctly, Earl said this bass was a one-off custom job that Sheldon built for him in the 1990s. I think he plays a Z3 now. Sheldon might be able to add some details. In the photos, Earl is playing on a box car. It's an annual cross-Canada tour during the Christmas season when a train literally pulls into a town and holds a concert right from the box car and then moves on to the next town. This show was on December 11, 2007 in Winnipeg. It was about -25º C. [img:3m0olt93]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk224/pomoro/IMG_2121.jpg[/img:3m0olt93] [img:3m0olt93]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk224/pomoro/IMG_2127.jpg[/img:3m0olt93]
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This is similar to the Novax replacement necks. Because they’re intended for a regular perpendicular mount bridge, they fan out strongly on the 7-and-below frets. Although it looks like that bass doesn’t have near as much of a variance in scale length as the Novax or any of the production Dingwalls.
11 years ago
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Off the top of my head the fan is 1". We were getting a lot of resistance at the time. Taming things down seemed like a good idea.
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Makes sense...the fanning isn't really noticeable at first glance. Did you ever think of working in this direction when developing the Combustion? Maybe not as small as one inch, but something like 1.5 or 2, that would provide more of the benefits of fanning but not something to frighten off many?
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