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Hi Sheldon, I am very close to pulling the trigger on a passive SJ4, but before I do, I've always preferred the look of P-basses over J-basses. (I especially can't stand the control plate on the J-bass, and I don't want to move to a Custom Exotic, because I love the look of an ash body with a maple board.) I know that our forum members have been talking about the Super P for a long time. Will these plans be coming to fruition within the next six months or a year, or should I go ahead with the SJ4? Out of curiosity, will the SP4 have the same 34.25"-32" scale of the SJ4? Thanks, GLF P.S. If I can get a Super P, I'll change my moniker to SPF (Super P Forever)! I'll even try to name my first-born Sheldon!
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I'd say 6 months would be the soonest we could put something together. Since you're asking what would your preference be for scale length on a SP?
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":387auj89]I'd say 6 months would be the soonest we could put something together. Since you're asking what would your preference be for scale length on a SP?[/quote:387auj89] While I'm dreaming, any chance of an SP5 with the same neck scale as the AB series? I have, seriously, everything I need in my DW, but that would be too tempting to pass up!
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Hi Sheldon, Thank you so much for the reply! Personally, I would need the SP4 to have the same 34.25"-32" scale of the SJ4. (I had to sell my ABI on this forum due to the stress placed on my wrist from the extra 2" scale.) In my opinion, anybody who wants the extra 2" can always get an AB, or a Z, or a Prima. Please give the SP4 a 34.25"-32" scale (and the SP5, when it comes, a 35"-32" scale). It is still going to sound awesome, anyway! Thanks, GLF
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Short scale makes sense somehow. People who want that P look&feel would hardly look for it in 35"+ basses. You know, P is about that vibe as much as the sound, and long scale might threaten that vibe. Though I like longer scales myself, the SJ scale just makes sense for the SP.
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I would agree. For the sound of a P with the long scale, you could always go with a Combustion or Afterburner with the P tone neck pickup, provided it's not only the look your after. 32" - 35" (5-string) is good. You get the little extra on the bass strings and shorter (more punch) on the treble strings. The only thing I would possibly change on my SJ5 (other than it might be become a SPJ5 soon) is that I prefer 18mm string spacing at the bridge. But the 19mm is not bad and I can adapt and I know it makes more sense to put on the same neck on both the SJ5 and SP5.
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I think the Super P should use the same scale and neck profile as the SJ. My favorite basses through the years have been P basses with J necks. A Pbass profiled neck is too chunky, IMO. The SP should also have a J bridge pickup. I asked about the SuperP years ago, right after I got my SuperJ. Good to see some movement. Hope it happens.
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In my mind's eye, I see the Super-P being a 'set' with the Super-J...same scale length, same attention to evolution of a classic. Unfortunately, that also makes me less interested, as I really prefer the longer scale length of the Z and AB series. It really just seems to make sense that way. That doesn't mean that there can't be a non-Precision styled hot rod long scale that takes the Precision pickup sound to another place.
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[quote="Mark L":ta0sp899]I think the Super P should use the same scale and neck profile as the SJ. My favorite basses through the years have been P basses with J necks. A Pbass profiled neck is too chunky, IMO. The SP should also have a J bridge pickup.[/quote:ta0sp899] I agree with everything that Mark just said! In fact, Sheldon and Dingwall Sales, I would like order a Super P right this minute. I have faith in you that it will be a masterpiece!! I'm going to send you both a PM. SPF (formerly known as GLF)
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":355y7u94]I'd say 6 months would be the soonest we could put something together. Since you're asking what would your preference be for scale length on a SP?[/quote:355y7u94] Both.
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just my opinion. When Sheldon and I collaborated on putting together the SJ series of basses back in 2002- we considered all the Dingwall scale lengths for the Sj basses. After alot of testing, and capo'ing the various frets on my ABI bass we both felt that the shortened scale length (currently on the SJ basses now) was the best compromise for tone and note decay. If you think about the authority, clarity, and decay each note has on the long scale Dingwall basses and then think about classic J bass and P bass tones- hopefully you'll hear in your head that famous j bass notes have a quicker decay and some "fuzziness"- or less sonority, Sheldon was able to achieve a compromise between the Dingwall tone and a more classic vibe, by shortening the scale length, and this resulted in achieving the J bass-like quality of the Sj basses. My prototype J bass is the inbetween mixture of the long scale and the current shorter scale, in that my SJ4 is only 1" shorter (36"E) than a standard ABI(37"E) and not the current 2" found on SJ basses (35" E), my SJ4 sounds more like an ABI bass than a current SJ4 in this regards. So after all this....i would suggest if your interested in getting a more "P" bass like tone or at least getting closer to a P bass tone- then shorter scale is probably the best way to go frank
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For me It would be very Important, that the neck of the SP4 feels like a precision neck. when you want that precision feel (which I absolutely love), the neck is very important for that feel. I think these fatter P-necks contribute to that fat P-sound.
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Sheldon, it's been awhile. A friend of mine, whose avatar on TalkBass is Cassius987, told me about threads talking about a "Super P." Well, after all these years, the custom P neck you fretted for me is still going strong. I got one lucky gig out of it: the Lawrence Welk special "Precious Memories," which someone has now posted to YouTube, so you can see and hear how it turned out. Then I had Roto Swingbass 45-60-80-105 on it, now I have the Fender flats 9050CL set on it. Thanks again!!
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You are so lucky!! What a beautiful instrument! GLF
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[quote="iiipopes":ienz3fco]Sheldon, it's been awhile. A friend of mine, whose avatar on TalkBass is Cassius987, told me about threads talking about a "Super P." Well, after all these years, the custom P neck you fretted for me is still going strong. I got one lucky gig out of it: the Lawrence Welk special "Precious Memories," which someone has now posted to YouTube, so you can see and hear how it turned out. Then I had Roto Swingbass 45-60-80-105 on it, now I have the Fender flats 9050CL set on it. Thanks again!![/quote:ienz3fco] How cool is that!
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