Sunday, 01 June 2008
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Hi folks, this is my first post here. I heard about the budget Dingwall line over at TalkBass. I know there's already a thread about the budget line here on the Dingwall forums, but since I'm going to be posting a bunch of pics, I didn't want to hijack that thread. I've never owned a Dingwall, but I hope to correct this problem when the budget line comes out. Since that thread was asking for opinions on the new model design, I thought I'd share a few design ideas I came up with. [b:6rk9u43t]You can click on the pictures to see a larger version.[/b:6rk9u43t] I've tried to create versions that I thought would appeal to traditional, "vintage" tastes, and thus hopefully de-emphasize some of the "scare factor" of the slanted frets. Each of the versions below also have a [i:6rk9u43t]slightly[/i:6rk9u43t] more rounded upper horn, and a [i:6rk9u43t]slightly[/i:6rk9u43t] more rounded headstock shape. The difference is minor, though. I'm going to say right out that I like pickguards, so I designed one for these images
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Nice work! I like all the colour combos you've drawn up and the shape and pickguard are cool too. The dark metallic blue looks more like a teal to me, but very nice.
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wow-- great job on the mock ups. Excellent color choices I like a few of your design considerations, such as the nonangled ends of the pickups, the horn reductions, and the overall flow & astethics of the bass. While i too am a pickguard person, your pickguard influence looks alot like a Hamer cruise bass, and the round portion at the top looks to me as unfinished, maybe not enough visual weight. However, i really like what you did w/ the lower portion. It will be interesting to see what Sheldon pulls out of his magic hat for the budget line, as of right now its alot of discussions, thinking, and a few drawings.
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Wow, that's amazing work. The body reminds me of the Curbow Retro- not a bad influence at all. The contoured body would be a nice touch, but I wonder if it would be too costly. That's what helps the ABs to be priced "downmarket"- slab-type bodies with minimal contouring. I really like the pickguards. You know, if this was the final design of the budget AB, it would upstage the ABI & II, IMO. It looks like a new upscale model to me. It may be too nice for a budget bass. Still, it's beautiful work, Jjango. Mark
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Very nice work indeed, and that's what I meant when I said that the new budget line has to have a character of its own. This comes out as neither a poor version of an AB nor a super J - perhaps a mix of both and more. One note about the non-angled edges of the pickups: Sheldon has already said he's tried that years ago, when he started with fanned frets, but felt they seemed weird and preferred the way he does it now. I don't know, I also like resting my thumb on the pickups and I still do with my Prima, but I have to do it on the rounded edge of the pickup, personally I would prefer a flat edge like on your first picture. Actually, now that I can compare the photos, I think they look less out-of-place than the way they are currently done, but that's just my opinion.
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The newer Prima Artists and Z Series basses have round edged pickups now, don't they? No reason it couldn't be done on the newer line instead of a straight flat side (unless they decide to go with a standard non-Dingwall set). It would be better than just anchoring at the corner. [img:1l5ft7bv]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/Smallmouth_Bass/D00104PrimaArtist5.jpg[/img:1l5ft7bv] I don't anchor my thumb on the pickups; it goes on the B or E-string. The Dingwalls are so responsive that you really need to mute the lower strings somehow to get rid of the sympathetic ring.
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[quote="Smallmouth_Bass":6q1z9zyo]The newer Prima Artists and Z Series basses have round edged pickups now, don't they? No reason it couldn't be done on the newer line instead of a straight flat side (unless they decide to go with a standard non-Dingwall set). It would be better than just anchoring at the corner. I don't anchor my thumb on the pickups; it goes on the B or E-string. The Dingwalls are so responsive that you really need to mute the lower strings somehow to get rid of the sympathetic ring.[/quote:6q1z9zyo] I think it's only for Prima Artists. I guess flat edges make for easier manufacturing. My thumb generally goes two strings above the one I'm playing, so it rests on the pickup when I'm playing on the B or E string.
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Great job on the mock up. I would definitely like to see pics w/out a PG, it looks kinda distracting. The non angled pu's are a great idea but leaves no room to upgrade.
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[quote="Funkshwey":3tr1tsp7]The non angled pu's are a great idea but leaves no room to upgrade.[/quote:3tr1tsp7] Dunno about that. I mean, are there any pickups that fit the fd-3's spot? I've never seen a Dingwall with other pickups, except for older barts and the emgs on sklar's Z, but these were built like that, and villex, but villex makes custom sizes anyway, I guess it wouldn't be hard for him to make his pickups in this shape. Actually, yesterday I read (I think on the TB thread) that Sheldon is in the talks with Nordstrand for replacement pickups, which means they will be custom made. So, no reason for them not to be in this shape too. I would like to see this shape on the whole dingwall line, not just the budget ones. I have to admit that the rounded edges on prima arists look cooler, but I still think that the most practical version for those of us who use the pickup partly as a thumb rest would be the one in the first picture.
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BTW, Sheldon, if you're indeed talking with Nordstrand for replacement pickups, you should also really work out a deal with Villex. It will be dead easy, since his pickups are made to order, and they are awesome pups. Of course, he's not half as known as Nordstrand, but you could offer one more (great) option to dingwall customers at no cost at all (since a minimum amount doesn't have to be manufactured and sold).
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Thanks for the kind words, guys
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[quote="Smallmouth_Bass":2kzbbx8e][img:2kzbbx8e]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/Smallmouth_Bass/D00104PrimaArtist5.jpg[/img:2kzbbx8e][/quote:2kzbbx8e] Just gorgeous.
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[quote="Jjango":2ai48k2x]It's funny, I never even thought of the Hamer Cruise with the other pickguard design. Actually, it kinda reminds me of a Stingray![/quote:2ai48k2x] +1, but not in a bad way, after all it's almost impossible to come up with a completely original pickguard (or bass) design.
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Thanks Jango. That 3TSB w/out a PG is beautiful. That's the one I'd probably buy.
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Nothing looks "budget" to me in those mock-ups. Very nice. And if that design had to have a pick guard those are really nice, too. By the way, I wanted to compare these pics to the prototype pictures but I can't find the thread. Anyone?
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Jango can you do a mock up with stainless steel mando frets. :D Here ya go Dingbat.
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Thanks Funkshwey. Now I know why those mockups look so good. The body is a Z shape not an AB and the neck joins the body like a Super J.
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[quote="Dingbat":1zvbjjuh]Thanks Funkshwey. Now I know why those mockups look so good. The body is a Z shape not an AB and the neck joins the body like a Super J.[/quote:1zvbjjuh] The neck joint is a winner on the mock up.
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Sorry to say I am not a fan of the body shape. Looks like a Super J meets a Z series and it doesn't work for me. Oh well I'm saving for a Z3 anyway :) I do like the look of the flattened pickups on the top and have thoguht about that myself but I personally don't have any problem anchoring my thumb on the point of the pickups as they are designed now. Anyway, nice photoshop work.
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Whoa Jjango, mad photoshop chops! I think you may have solved the pickguard yes or no question. As your design doesn't support or cover anything, it could be totally optional. I like it. The only thing keeping me from doing a parallelogram pickup shell is the high cost of mold tooling and limiting the replacement choice. I agree with Dragonlord they really fit the look. I may have to keep those in mind for a future revision.
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":2etwnlv5]Whoa Jjango, mad photoshop chops! I think you may have solved the pickguard yes or no question. As your design doesn't support or cover anything, it could be totally optional. I like it.[/quote:2etwnlv5] That's high praise, coming from the man himself! Thank-you, Mr. D! Thanks also for deciding to release a budget line
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