Sunday, 12 August 2007
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How's this for a combination: passive AB1 electronics, the prima body shape, alder body, maple or morado board and solid colors like the super j. A prima poor artist, if you will. I'm picturing a six string bronze age body with morado board and matching headstock, or a six string black body with maple board and matching headstock. Is anyone with me? Is it a possibility?
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I'm sure Sheldon will chime in, but I believe the answer simply depends on price. Understandably, at higher price points, more custom changes/requests are possible, with very few feasible at the std Afterburner price (unless you can convince a dealer to order a big batch). I agree that it's a drag the high end stuff entails active electronics and a gaggle of knobs/switches....I'm hoping for a Z with passive, simplified setup.....not 100% sure if it'll materialize yet....
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[quote="mheintz":2lu8ov7w]How's this for a combination: passive AB1 electronics, the prima body shape, alder body, maple or morado board and solid colors like the super j. A prima poor artist, if you will. I'm picturing a six string bronze age body with morado board and matching headstock, or a six string black body with maple board and matching headstock. Is anyone with me? Is it a possibility?[/quote:2lu8ov7w] Transparent finished SJs with fancy tops and painted Zs and Primas would be so cool. I'm with ya, bro! Mark
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[quote="lomo":372ijyah]I agree that it's a drag the high end stuff entails active electronics and a gaggle of knobs/switches....I'm hoping for a Z with passive, simplified setup.....not 100% sure if it'll materialize yet....[/quote:372ijyah] [quote="guitarded":372ijyah]Transparent finished SJs with fancy tops and painted Zs and Primas would be so cool. I'm with ya, bro![/quote:372ijyah]It's good to have company. Not that I'd kick a prima artist out of bed for eating crackers, but a plain-jane prima would rock.
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Some interesting feedback, let's dig a little deeper. What is it you like about the Prima body vs the Afterburner? Is it the profile, edge roundovers, rounder arm contour, reverse treble horn?
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":1mqq7o34]Some interesting feedback, let's dig a little deeper. What is it you like about the Prima body vs the Afterburner? Is it the profile, edge roundovers, rounder arm contour, reverse treble horn?[/quote:1mqq7o34]Hmm... that's tough. The prima shape is such a nicely executed package. Purely based on aesthetics, the reverse treble horn is what makes the prima shape my favorite shape. From a comfort perspective, the rounder arm counter is also nice. The bridge and the full top on the prima are also attractive, but the ABs are so well executed that I could actually do without both. Frankly, I'm just being greedy. The AB1s are great, but I would love to have my cake and eat it too.
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":1uerjwp7]Some interesting feedback, let's dig a little deeper. What is it you like about the Prima body vs the Afterburner? Is it the profile, edge roundovers, rounder arm contour, reverse treble horn?[/quote:1uerjwp7] Yes!
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I think the best improvement that could be made on the AB's would be to hide the end of the neck as it attaches to the body. I've never been able to get over the maple block that shows on the ABI's w/painted bodies asthetically. The all natural ABI's are not bad at all. On fretless AB's one thing that could be done is to extend the fretboard all the way to the end of the neck where it meets the body. It would also be another place to anchor your thumb. I realize it costs less to manufacture the way it is now.
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[quote="Funkshwey":krgovr4l]I think the best improvement that could be made on the AB's would be to hide the end of the neck as it attaches to the body. I've never been able to get over the maple block that shows on the ABI's w/painted bodies asthetically.[/quote:krgovr4l] From strictly an aesthetic point of view, I have the same sentiment as Funk as related to the ABI. I really like the fact that my ABII has a Bubinga top and neck so that the blend is seamless. But this is a minor point and, no doubt, has it's roots in saving some $$$ in the build. I remember awhile back that someone had the heel of the neck on his ABI laminated and it seemed to work well. Concerning the different shapes, body materials, etc., for a custom project, I've had similar ideas as some in this thread as my time for designing and building will be coming along before too long. I love that Sheldon is so open to exploring these ideas and receiving feedback. I've got some ideas that I'm still kicking around, but they haven't gelled quite yet. John
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I'm not so sure that this isn't just a case of "I want what I can't have"...whe it comes to a budget bass with the Prima design. . .but then, I too have gotten more than a few comments from other bassists and musicians about the heel of my AB. I sort of think it would be cool for Dingwall to offer a series of basses with 'solid' finishes that would allow the shop to choose wood that might be excellent but not as aesthetically pleasing as what is currently used. It seems like maybe that would free up the choice by allowing to pick wood that is exceptional when it comes to build and tone without being beautiful.
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":sejdswsv]Some interesting feedback, let's dig a little deeper. What is it you like about the Prima body vs the Afterburner? Is it the profile, edge roundovers, rounder arm contour, reverse treble horn?[/quote:sejdswsv] Hmmm, do I sense an AB redux coming? Mark
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I like the AB shape. It's not too big, not too small, simple but elegant and it balances well. Solid colours could be an option, but if the transparent bursts are selling well, I don't see a reason to replace them (or add less desirable finishes). There used to be some solid finishes. There must be a reason why they were discontinued. The only thing that I could think of to improve off-hand is the above mentioned unfinished butt end of the neck. I've gotten used to the look of it now, but I can see how people would prefer it to match the body. Oh yeah, and I would make the Dingwall decal and signature on the headstock under a protective coating or inlayed.
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Once we're dreaming....I favor the simple modular approach of G & L. Base price with standard finishes with a limited, well-defined set of upgrade options at appropriate cost. Fundamentally, however, hiding the neck heel, protecting the logo and offering straplocks top my with list for the AB series.
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[quote="John H.":2y74zuyp] I remember awhile back that someone had the heel of the neck on his ABI laminated and it seemed to work well. John[/quote:2y74zuyp] Yes, it worked out very well! Mark
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Thanks for the feedback guys. Headstock - I think we've solved those issues. We've gone with a tougher waterbased lacquer as a sealer. The signature is now under the finish. Heel - This one's a little tougher. I've got a machine on the drawing board that will allow a wenge block to be glued to the heel end at an early stage of construction. The end result would look like Mark's veneered version. Veneering might be an option, but is a fussy process and at this point would really slow us down. I've looked into painting, but again, we'd be looking at a slow down. Prima vs AB shape. The round edges and heel of the Prima are difficult and time consuming to sand and finish. Labor really adds up fast on the Prima body. I've been penciling an AB body with beveled edges. It looks nice enough to keep working on. Solid finishes. We discontinued them because they weren't selling. Tastes and trends change though so at any point if we get significant interest we'll put them back on the option list. Solids have to be done in batches of 6 so we can't do one-off stuff.
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Sheldon, what if you did something simple like leaving out the process of scalloping the heal and extend the wenge fb all the way to the neck pu. Don't add any more frets in this area however. You would have the added benefit of a built in ramp, a thumb anchor where the scalloped heal used to be and make an asthetic improvement on the existing heal. Less work more features. 8) Of course this also depends on how long the planks of wenge are to begin with. I test fit the TR wrench and the long end would reach. You could start the hole for adjustment about 1/2-3/4" from the end of the neck and add a ball end to the long side of the wrench. It would be great on fretless AB's too.
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The extended fingerboard/ramp idea doesn't work for guys that want to slap. The real solution is to make the necks entirely out of wenge. :D
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":15jd72vb]Thanks for the feedback guys. Headstock - I think we've solved those issues. We've gone with a tougher waterbased lacquer as a sealer. The signature is now under the finish. Heel - This one's a little tougher. I've got a machine on the drawing board that will allow a wenge block to be glued to the heel end at an early stage of construction. The end result would look like Mark's veneered version. Veneering might be an option, but is a fussy process and at this point would really slow us down. I've looked into painting, but again, we'd be looking at a slow down. Prima vs AB shape. The round edges and heel of the Prima are difficult and time consuming to sand and finish. Labor really adds up fast on the Prima body. I've been penciling an AB body with beveled edges. It looks nice enough to keep working on. Solid finishes. We discontinued them because they weren't selling. Tastes and trends change though so at any point if we get significant interest we'll put them back on the option list. Solids have to be done in batches of 6 so we can't do one-off stuff.[/quote:15jd72vb]Thanks for the response. I look forward to seeing beveled edge AB. The wenge block also sounds great. The veneer could be nice. I recall the old lightwave basses have a veneer on the heel block, but they don't look nearly as nice as the veneer on the AB above.
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While I would LOVE an Artist, I'm glad I got my Prima "Basic" when I did. The clean fretboard and oil finish really work for me, in general it's all about "meat and potatoes" for me. As far as the electronics go, the FD-3/OBP-3 retro-fit work extremely well in this bass and is as simple as it gets considering the tonal ranges available. If something were to ever happen to it I would try hard to convince Sheldon to make something as close as possible. BTW-Durability is an proven A++!
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I have to say I like the neck joint on the AB's as opposed to the Fender style. It's nice to not have any of the body in your hand as you noodle up high.
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I have no problem with the neck joint...I do find the transition from neck to headstock to be the least graceful part of the Afterburner design though...looking on it from 'above' while in playing position it's really clunky.
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