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I am wondering what other people's experience with different preamps are. Over the two and a half years ive had my Dingwall, i have found that i don't really like the Aguilar. I love the way my Dingwall plays and it has killed any GAS I once had.


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Hi Mike

can you please tell us what is your bass (Prima, Zebra, Z1 and specs too). And what is it that you don't like from the Aguilar (OBP3 I suppose)
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I have an afterburner II six string, with a bubinga top and an OBP-1 preamp. I don't feel that the frequencies boosted are very usefull. For example, the treble boost only makes the sound harsher and brittle to me.

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What sort of pickups are there? FD1's or FD3's? What sort of sound are you after? Are you happy with the pickups when they run in passive? If yes, what sort of direction would you like the sound to go when you engage the pre-amp? If you are unhappy with the pickups, what sort of sonic avenue are you after?
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I have FD3's in my bass. I do like the sound when it is passive and I do like the pickups. I think what I am looking for is a preamp that boosts different frequencies as well as cut option, because that would be handy for recording as this bass has a lot of low end. I want a sound that is clear, and i don't want the preamp to cover that up.
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An OBP2 would allow for cut and boost. If you want to steer away from Aguilar a John East, an Audere or an EMG pre-amp (all 3-band) would allow for a smoother and more refined sonic manipulation IMO
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Yes, i am curious about the John East, Audere and the Glockenlang preamp. Do you have any experience with any of these? What are the pro's and con's?
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I modded my ABII with a custom John East preamp, with two sweepable mid controls.
You can read about it here (next to last post):

[url:1ddzji4u]http://www.dingwallguitars.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=407[/url:1ddzji4u]

Good luck!
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Hey Mike,

I have the OBP-1 (w/hybrid treble cut) and like it so much that I'll likely put it in my Z. But, it took some experimenting for quite some time to arrive at that conclusion. What it comes down to for me is that I like the series setting in passive mode (I can still cut treble if desired), then, with the preamp engaged - bass boosted/treble flat or slightly cut - I use the bridge only or parallel settings (the neck only sounds good for certain tunes, too).

But, and here's where the biggest difference came for me, I boost at 165 and 300 hz on the amp. At least with my particular speaker cabs, that did the trick. I get the mid growl that I like and it really cuts through the mix. I just got a sneak preview at rehearsal the other evening of what it sounds like recorded with those settings and I was amazed.

Another thing that works well with these settings is that the volume is almost identical between the passive/series setting and the active/parallel/bridge only setting. I can select a different pickup setting, flip a switch and not have to fiddle with anything else.

Hope that gives you some new ideas.
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My advice: You do not need a pre-amp !! Play passive and enjoy.
Invest is a great head and get the new Bergantino NEO cabs and of course your FINGERS; you'll love to hear the sound in your head, live in 3D

On Bass pr-amps kill your sound, no matter how great they claim to be ! :cry: :cry:
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Makossa is right.

Last night I was rehearsing with the Z2 (the OMT as I call it, not the Ruby Red). I played the whole night in passive mode and I was amazed at how much treble i was able to produce just by changing the way I attack (and I mean ATTACK) the strings (let alone the palm mute or other ways to alter feel and sound of the notes) . There was not one moment I was tempted to use the OBP3. Dingwalls are the most touch sensitive basses IMO
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Within any certain musical context I could go all night without touching my EQ much(one thing I love about the occasional blues gig), but for the average material I do on most my gigs EQ is a requirement. Straight ahead and smooth jazz, classic R&B, disco, neo-soul, dub, rock, hip-hop.....sorry, you get the point. I find that the OBP-3(and would assume the 2 as well)doesn't add too much coloration, it's powerful, but it's also very clean.
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I' still crazy after the Universal Audio 610 Tube Preamp. It's adjustable from clean (sort of cause it's a real phat tube sound anyway) up to noticable tube distortion... Usually I'm somewhere in between.

I don't do much with attempting to shape the tone with eq. Maybe a high or low shelf. But I also always use a compressor - Either the LA-2A (the other 1/2 of an UA LA-610) or the Distressor in it's 1176 mode. (10/1 with a slow attack and quick recovery)

I hate to say it but I've gotten to the point where a compressor is part of what I think a bass sounds like. Certainly compression is how bass is recorded and I'm trying to get that sound live. Slow pumping compression of the LA-2A for rock and lightning quick like the Distressor for funk or other stuff that's percussive. It keeps me always hot and phat in any mix in a way that is not possible without compression. In that regard I use compression as an effect vs. just trying to avoid "over's" in recording.

As an aside - the built in frequency side chain in the distressor is a miracle setting where you can get a bright tone for funk playing but the high end burst is clamped when you snap the string so it doesn't sound too loud as you'd expect with a bright tone.... Side chaining the high eq sound of a bass with a compressor is a "secret" of sorts in studios to keep a bass sounding bright without going too bright....
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Give the UA6176 a try Two port. It's the best tone for me so far.
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[quote="Funkshwey":2smyvmw2]Give the UA6176 a try Two port. It's the best tone for me so far.[/quote:2smyvmw2]

NO kidding! The 1176 is a much more flexible compressor. I wish I would have bought it when I got the LA-610.... I was going to sell it but then decided the distressor would be a decent alternative since I already had one. I use the LA for rock stuff because it pumps kinda cool like that and the distressor for everything else. I spoke with the UA guys last year about how the LA-610 compressor recovers too slow and they said they are working on a faster compressor light circuit. But I didn't see it at NAMM this year. I'd argue that the 6176 is probably the finest bass signal chain here is...!! What comes after the UA in your rig Funkshwey?
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[quote="TwoPort":fsrhg6o9][quote="Funkshwey":fsrhg6o9]Give the UA6176 a try Two port. It's the best tone for me so far.[/quote:fsrhg6o9]

NO kidding! The 1176 is a much more flexible compressor. I wish I would have bought it when I got the LA-610.... I was going to sell it but then decided the distressor would be a decent alternative since I already had one. I use the LA for rock stuff because it pumps kinda cool like that and the distressor for everything else. I spoke with the UA guys last year about how the LA-610 compressor recovers too slow and they said they are working on a faster compressor light circuit. But I didn't see it at NAMM this year. I'd argue that the 6176 is probably the finest bass signal chain here is...!! What comes after the UA in your rig Funkshwey?[/quote:fsrhg6o9]

I don't own one. I've played through the UA6176 twice as a backline with IEM and the Aviom. Just unbelievable w/an ABII-5. I just played better/smoother/leaner. The 1176 really helps the ghotes notes and every note kinda feels like there's a bass drum hittin' with you.

My rig is a B1500 w/a DBX160x. The 160x is good for controlling the really loud low notes but doesn't give the kick drum effect like the UA6176.

I would like 8 6176's to track drums. 8)

Would love to have one to run w/my B1500 bypassing the pre, but I actually like to go direct live.

The LA2A/LA610 when used live in a high volume bass rig can have problems because the vibrations can cause the optics to mess up your sound. The 1176 I've read has different circuitry so is way less affected.
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