Thursday, 01 November 2007
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I'm loving my all tube head, but in spite of its' overpriced sticker, the Orange has no direct out. I'm using a Radial Bassbone's direct out currently, but I'd love a box to get the head's tone into our PA without a mic-what kind of box will do this, and what do call this type of device (I know it exists)?? Is a mic a better option (if so, why)? Sorry for the rookie questions :oops:
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That's why Eden totally rocks...awesome DI on their heads. Mic'ing live is sometimes messy...works perfect for recording though. Does your orange head have a line out (for a slave amp)....try catching that into a DI like a Radial JDI or something.
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You want something that will take the speaker output of an amp, not the preamp out, and send it to the board. I have an Avalon U5, and it can do that--you can run a line from the extension speaker jack of an amp to the back of the U5 (see picture below on the right side). It can take up to 400 watts. So you could run a line from the ext. speaker jack of the orange (assuming it has one) to the input on the back of the U5. I think what you want to do is called a "reamping." But you need to make sure your amp sees a speaker load--the Avalon inut jack is not a "dummy load" [img:34exszuy]http://www.avalondesign.com/images/U5B.jpg[/img:34exszuy] The U5 is an amazingly great sounding unit--I use it as my preamp on gigs and as a recording Di. I believe radial also makes a reamping DI. Ted Weber makes a very cool thing called the MASS. It' an attenuator, designed to give guitar players cranked amp sound at lower volumes. It has a speaker in it, a speaker with no cone, basically, so it reacts like an amp does. It has a DI out, so if you ran it without attenuation it would take the signal your amp sends to the speakers and send it to the PA http://www.tedweber.com/atten.htm
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Thank you!
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[quote="maxvintage":2eipzxbq]You want something that will take the speaker output of an amp, not the preamp out, and send it to the board. I have an Avalon U5, and it can do that--you can run a line from the extension speaker jack of an amp to the back of the U5 (see picture below on the right side). It can take up to 400 watts. So you could run a line from the ext. speaker jack of the orange (assuming it has one) to the input on the back of the U5. I think what you want to do is called a "reamping." But you need to make sure your amp sees a speaker load--the Avalon inut jack is not a "dummy load" [img:2eipzxbq]http://www.avalondesign.com/images/U5B.jpg[/img:2eipzxbq] The U5 is an amazingly great sounding unit--I use it as my preamp on gigs and as a recording Di. I believe radial also makes a reamping DI. Ted Weber makes a very cool thing called the MASS. It' an attenuator, designed to give guitar players cranked amp sound at lower volumes. It has a speaker in it, a speaker with no cone, basically, so it reacts like an amp does. It has a DI out, so if you ran it without attenuation it would take the signal your amp sends to the speakers and send it to the PA http://www.tedweber.com/atten.htm[/quote:2eipzxbq] +1000 My Avalon U5 is my choice for both live and studio. I know the sound of my basses and I plug directly into the U5 and then I split to the PA and to the amp (for monitoring purposes). If you desire the coloration of a certain amp you can use it the way maxvintage described.
14 years ago
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Not sure how I would hook this up with the Avalon. The amp has two 4 Ohm outs and 1 8 Ohm and is only stable to 4 Ohms. Do I daisy chain my 2 8 Ohm cabs in series through one of the 4 Ohm outs and send the other 4 Ohm out to the pre, or will this push the resistance seen by the amp below 4 Ohms? Am I limited to 1 8 Ohm cab-please spoon feed the newbie, LOL.
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I've never actually done this--I love the sound of the U5 more than any amp I've ever used. But they have some explanations on their website I don't think the input on the Avalon will show any significant resistance to the amp, because it's not a dummy load. The link below say "The U5 DOES NOT DRAW A LOAD from the amplifier." this link [url:356k80yq]http://www.avalondesign.com/pdfs/u5speakerin.pdf[/url:356k80yq] shows a diagram describing the speaker input in use This is what Avalon's somewhat minimal site says about it U5 Speaker Input Q: How do you use the speaker input on the back of the U5? A: The set up is as follows: 1. Connect your instrument to the input on your instrument amplifier. 2. Connect your amplifier speaker output to your speaker for normal operation 3. Connect a secondary speaker output from your amp or your speaker cabinet to the SPEAKER INPUT on the rear of the U5. 4. Press in the SPEAKER to INPUT on the front of the U5 5. Connect the line output on the U5 to the recording device or mixing console.
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Thanks again. Sounds simple. If there's no effective load imposed by the pre, it shouldn't matter which output feed it (4 or 8 Ohm). Now to see if Radial makes a similar product....
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You want the radial JDX, max wattage 300 watts
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[quote="maxvintage":y5xuwla5]You want the radial JDX, max wattage 300 watts[/quote:y5xuwla5] Max, you are the best! Now I can get the colour of my tube amp through our PA. We have peavey stacks with 12s and 18s, and I believe that the furry fatness will come through-now I'll get to find out for sure :-).
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