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Sheldon- Just thought I'd ask about those upgrades for the ABII to convert the treble controls to active+passive. What's the expected availability date? Thanks
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^+1 Bassgreaser. I would be flipping the blue EQube on instead. The ability to passively roll off highs is huge.
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread here but I didn
14 years ago
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I just had the hybrid treble control installed on my ABII and I really like it. By the way, it works in both active [i:3l46y6s9]and[/i:3l46y6s9] passive mode. In active, you can dial out some of the clicks and buzzes that are often amplified with active electronics. I've only played with it a little bit, but I'd say you have a whole set of new useable sounds.
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I played an ABI in the shop when I bought my ABII. To me the different woods make these two distinctly different sounding instruments, so I never thought of the ABI as being just a passive ABII. The Walnut/Bubinga ABII is rather dark sounding, so having a treble boost is useful. The FD-3 pickups give a nice "barking" sound in the ABII. On the other hand, the Ash/Maple ABI that I played was extremely bright sounding. I can see that the passive tone control would come in quite handy on the ABI.
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I just bought an ABI and I can tell that I don't feel that it is a "step down" from my ABII at all. The passive treble roll-off is well suited to the FD3 pickups. They're naturally so bright that I never use the treble boost anyway.
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[quote="Dingbat":1ci2f9t3] I mentioned in another thread that I've just discovered the vintage but tight P-Bass sound you can get from an ABII with just the neck pick up and the passive treble rolled off to taste. That alone is worth more than the price of the upgrade.[/quote:1ci2f9t3] Exactly! For me, that is perhaps the most important sound that was missing before. And it is better than a Pbass IMHO. Then with the twist of knob or two you can go to a hair-raising slap sound - this is now a VERY versatile bass. I particularly like the lower crossover point the whole circuit uses, you can get really dramatic treble changes.
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[quote="jlaplante":2jka14kl]The instructions were generally quite clear. However, the diagrams seem as if they were lifted from a previous document, so there was minor confusion. The diagram about splicing the red power leads also shows the part of the circuit with the pickups, which also includes a splice with shrink wrap. The other diagram only shows the basic wiring inside the cavity - it omits the new wires being added. The only worry I had there was my decision to use one of the empty holes in the ground bus of the selector switch to attach my ground wire - perhaps the instructions should call out a specific hole to use. It works fine, and made soldering easier. The rolloff is nice and round sounding, and goes plenty far enough into Dub territory. I think the crossover point was well chosen.[/quote:2jka14kl] Congratulations on what is essentially the same thing as getting a new Dingwall while still keeping the old one. I was scratching my head over that splicing diagram until I realized, too, that one splice had nothing to do with the job at hand and was not even visible in the control cavity. (I think it was the splice for the two batteries) It shouldn't matter which hole the ground lead goes into as long as it is on the selector's ground lug. I elected to solder on to the exposed side of the selector's ground lug in the only hole that was not filled with solder. I didn't want to remove the selector to do it properly and I didn't want to waste a lot of time blindly trying to find the hole from underneath. As you mentioned, the sound options are multiplied with the modification. I mentioned in another thread that I've just discovered the vintage but tight P-Bass sound you can get from an ABII with just the neck pick up and the passive treble rolled off to taste. That alone is worth more than the price of the upgrade.
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Well mine went in smoothly several days ago and I am extremely satisfied. The range of sounds easily available from this bass in a live situation (which is my priority) has essentially doubled. The instructions were generally quite clear. However, the diagrams seem as if they were lifted from a previous document, so there was minor confusion. The diagram about splicing the red power leads also shows the part of the circuit with the pickups, which also includes a splice with shrink wrap. It took me a day or so to realize that splice was not part of the instructions. The other diagram only shows the basic wiring inside the cavity - it omits the new wires being added. The only worry I had there was my decision to use one of the empty holes in the ground bus of the selector switch to attach my ground wire - perhaps the instructions should call out a specific hole to use. It works fine, and made soldering easier. All in all, a VERY worthwhile pursuit and easily worth the money plus labor if you have it done. Don't attempt without some electronics knowledge, but easy with such knowledge. The rolloff is nice and round sounding, and goes plenty far enough into Dub territory. I think the crossover point was well chosen. The control is quite sensitive - after being used to the entire 18DB boost taking the whole range of travel, now it only takes 50% and seems quite rapid. The rolloff too occurs at fast rate, so adjust sparingly. But that is the price for such a wide range of tones in a single control. Thanks Sheldon and crew - another nod to great customer support!!!
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It's passive cut in both active and passive mode. The batteries have to be good for it to work though, even when active is off. So if the batteries go dead, it will not passively cut.
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[quote="jlaplante":20bhrsca]I believe it is boost and cut in active mode. In passive, it functions just like ordinary cut-only treble controls.[/quote:20bhrsca] Yes, that's correct. To be a little more precise, it's a dual potentiometer with a centre notch. Above the notch it is the treble boost part of the Aguilar pre-amp. Below the notch it is a normal passive tone control (treble cut) that works in both active and passive mode.
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I believe it is boost and cut in active mode. In passive, it functions just like ordinary cut-only treble controls.
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So, the hybrid treble upgrade, if I am understanding correctly, has no change in active mode but is a treble/tone control in passive, right?
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Dingbat - Thanks for the detailed pix and so forth. Sounds very satisfying, and relieves some of my anxiety about the complexity. Sheldon and crew look like they made it very simple! My upgrade kit is on the way, so hopefully before the vacation is over I'll have it up and running. Will post results...
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[quote="Smallmouth_Bass":3py9m8qn] How do you like the treble upgrade? I am considering it myself.[/quote:3py9m8qn] After playing for just a few minutes, I like it. I could easily get the ultimate dub bass sound with a clear attack but almost no overtones - not that that's what I'm into but it adds to the versatility. When used in moderation, you can get some nice woody tones in active mode and while keeping the volume at full in passive mode. If I want to take off just a bit of the harsh upper mids and finger noise in passive mode, I still like to turn the volume down a little. It's more subtle than the tone control. At first I was startled by how much the volume dropped when I turned down the treble but then I realized that my amp was cranked and the bass' volume knob was already set too low. (passive mode) Compared to the tone control on my passive Afterburner I, the hybrid control does not seem to roll off as much treble but the rolled-off tone sounds more "woody" than just muffled, like on the ABI when it is fully rolled off - and it definitely does not get muddy like most conventional basses. In short, I'm glad I got it. I was also surprised by how little trouble I had to install it. I'm not an expert in soldering. I took extra care on this job, though and I made sure to study the instructions for a couple of days before I attempted it, then I followed the instructions to the letter. For those with little or no soldering/wiring experience, I recommend taking it in to a good tech for the installation. Paul
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[quote="Dingbat":oq3e4izu]I installed the hybrid treble upgrade in my 2005 Afterburner II. It went without any major problems and took about two hours. The hardest part was getting the rubber knob off the post. [/quote:oq3e4izu] How do you like the treble upgrade? I am considering it myself.
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During the past year Sheldon has continued to improve his instruments. My ABII reflects some of those changes. I got the newly designed rubber-like control knobs, which I think are an improvement both functionally and aesthetically. I also installed a Hipshot detuner but I ordered it directly from Hipshot, so it's got their logo on it, which is okay but it doesn't look like an original Dingwall option now. :( And just today I upgraded the treble boost to the new treble boost/cut hybrid that I think started with the Super J and is now standard on all ABIIs. I don't think I"ll go for the other major upgrades, like carving acoustic chambers inside the bass, or F holes, or planing off the bubinga top for a cocobolo or makore top. :)
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I installed the hybrid treble upgrade in my 2005 Afterburner II. It went without any major problems and took about two hours. The hardest part was getting the rubber knob off the post. Here are some pictures of the operation for the curious.
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Hi Sheldon, I got my hybrid treble kit in the mail yesterday. Thanks for the speedy delivery. I will instal it during the holidays. This is something I do not want to rush. I hope I can make it as neat and tidy as the original wiring. Paul
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Ditto - great work and thanks for the effort! Will email for order info shortly.
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