Wednesday, 27 June 2007
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hey now, still lovin my ab1 but its not the "modern" tone ive been looking for. i dont want to do any resoldering or any work for that matter .i've been digging around and curious would adding an outboard preamp do any justice? or to rephrase ..what would adding a preamp to an ab1 do to its sound? the few im looking at aguilar, sadowsky, and fodera.. thanks and take it light m
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You'd probably be better off putting some FD-1s in there (if they're still available), they're supposed to sound more modern. That said, I have the Aguilar outboard, I don't think you will hear any dramatic differences. It's pretty transparent, so if you don't like your passive sound, I doubt you'll like it with the Aguilar. Sadowsky is famous for his fender clones, so I doubt you'll get a more modern sound from his preamp either. No idea about the Fodera, but again, I would suggest changing the basic tone of your bass (by changing pickups) rather than try to "fix" it afterwards. That is of course only if you're sure it's the bass. What is your amp/cabs? Have you gotten the "modern" tone you're looking for with your rig and another bass?
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The OBP3 is sth worth considering. Another option worth looking at is East preamp or Glockenclan. As far as the Fodera preamp goes, I am not familiar with the outboard one but the on-board one is by no means modern in any of my 3 Fodera's.
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I wish I had more experience with the different pre amps to be of much help in making a decision. I do have some experience with the OBP-1 that's built into my ABII, however, and have found some tones that I wouldn't be able to get without the pre. My latest favorite is, with bluEQube on, to boost the bass a bit and keep the treble flat or boost it a tiny bit. I've found this all works best with the vol. on the bass all the way up. I get a thick, growly tone that I really like that I think would be tough to get out of the AB without the pre. John
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hey now, thanks for all the prompt replies. just to give an idea of what im hearing in my head when i think modern i think of weather channel type slap and real defined highs and lows. i guess some would call this the infamous MTD sound. and no i dont expect a dingwall to sound like an mtd. im currently playing thru an ampeg 210 combo type amp. i cant say that its 100% the bass but ive played with a number of different setups. the bass cuts better than anything ive ever played but the biggest thing that i feel is "vintage" would be what i feel is a push in the mids. maybe this is what dingwalls are known for. i hear or "sense' this push playing thru my amp or live direct into a pa. so from what i understand all a preamp will do is basically "enhance" what im already hearing and not necessarily alter the sound..
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I think I understand the type of sound you are after. I have had an MTD built for my by Mr Tobias himself (very nice person and great bass too; slapped and finger style). But the Z1 on my avatar gets me that sound and much more 8) . Not putting down Mr Tobias or his works, by any means. That slapped sound works wonders in slapped fills but not great for supporting a song (unless the whole band adjusts the sound around you) You are really looking for a very specific sound not readily available (unless you have a warwick, that is great on that but a letdown in other sounds). The reason that my herd grow to 40+ basses (most are very high end and /or custom) is that I wanted to have every sound available straight from the bass, with the preamp and eq flat. being realistic though, when fewer resources are available then we have to be flexible, adjust and use some extra gear. IMHO the FD1's have that sort of sound (direction wise at least). With an onboard OBP3 or John East preamp (boosting lows and highs and removing low-mids or mid-mids) and a little compession, you will get that kind of sound (don't forget that the ABI woods are headed the relatively modern-yet-warm side of things IMHO). The downside of it, you may need to drill some holes to have the preamp fitted. Maybe try setting up the amp differently (eq-wise) to try to get closer to that sound (I don't know how versatile that Ampeg may be but you can give it a try cost free. I am not speaking for Sheldon, just giving my 2cents.
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[quote="LightGroove":3m317qlq]hey now, thanks for all the prompt replies. just to give an idea of what im hearing in my head when i think modern i think of weather channel type slap and real defined highs and lows. i guess some would call this the infamous MTD sound. and no i dont expect a dingwall to sound like an mtd. im currently playing thru an ampeg 210 combo type amp. i cant say that its 100% the bass but ive played with a number of different setups. the bass cuts better than anything ive ever played but the biggest thing that i feel is "vintage" would be what i feel is a push in the mids. maybe this is what dingwalls are known for. i hear or "sense' this push playing thru my amp or live direct into a pa. so from what i understand all a preamp will do is basically "enhance" what im already hearing and not necessarily alter the sound..[/quote:3m317qlq] Just for kicks, what about a Boss EQ pedal?
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John East makes a "stompbox" version of his onboard preamp. I have not played through one, but if it is anything like his J/U-Retro onboard preamps (which I have in several of my basses, including my ABII). you are likely to find that it allows you to get a variety of sounds. Good luck.
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IMO, if you can't get the tone you're looking for with EQ, get rid of the ampeg. Modern tone and ampeg don't go together in my book. I added one ampeg cab to my Glockenklang rig and I just couldn't play because of the loss of definition and the muddiness of this box. Try your AB1 through a hi-fi rig first before you try outboard preamps etc. Epifani, Glockenklang, EBS, EA, Bergantino, all of this is stuff that would bring you much closer to a modern tone than anything through the ampeg.
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[quote="Dragonlord":3e1tm9h7]IMO, if you can't get the tone you're looking for with EQ, get rid of the ampeg. Modern tone and ampeg don't go together in my book. I added one ampeg cab to my Glockenklang rig and I just couldn't play because of the loss of definition and the muddiness of this box. Try your AB1 through a hi-fi rig first before you try outboard preamps etc. Epifani, Glockenklang, EBS, EA, Bergantino, all of this is stuff that would bring you much closer to a modern tone than anything through the ampeg.[/quote:3e1tm9h7] Dragonlord nailed it. This is definitely the best advice you can take, IMO. The mid-priced gear is going to impart a certain color to the tone no matter what you try. Ampeg will be muddy and indistinct, GK will color the mids too much, Hartke will just sit there, then break down, etc.... It sounds as if you aren't hearing the true tone of your AB due to the limitations imposed by your rig. My AB sounded amazing through ordinary amps, but when I went high-end with my rig (i.e. tons of clean power and headroom, a good preamp, and a powerful cab) the difference was just unbelievable. Mark
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+1 Dragonlord. Try the ABI through a proper rig and then put some money aside to get it. There are several options to get a nice combo with great versatile tone to allow your playing shine through you ABI. Just don't get carried away that you need thousands of watts to be heard. The Dingwalls always cut through. In fact, a friend called me to day to let me know that both a drummer and himself commented on the sound of the bass on a recording of my brother. Guess what? it was my avatar Z1 through an EBS (Gorm 15" + tweeter) 8)
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I'd say an Alembic preamp does alot to add a hi-fi sizzle without harshness and certainly adds a low boost without boominess.... any thoughts on this?
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I have tried the Alembic and it's nice and versatile. My only gripe is that it's outboard and needs carrying (I hate carrying stuff!!!). Money-wise is worth buying, if that's the sort of preamp you're after.
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