Wednesday, 19 March 2008
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Hi folks, Just joined the forum to say Hi and learn everything I need to know before buying my first Dingwall. :) Like a few others recently, I just saw Lee Sklar playing bass for Toto and was simply blown away by the tone and that thunderous, but consistent B string! I guess I mainly want to know more about the sound differences between the different models, mainly because I'm not sure I can justify/afford going straight for a Z2 or higher model without the chance to hear or play one first. (And there's no chance of that, as I'm in Sydney, Australia, where Dingers are rarer than virgins. :P) Will I get most of the Z2 sound from an AB-I? Are the Fury FD-3 pickups better voiced for groove or lead work? Or versatile enough for anything? Given I'm a bit of a gear snob, should I try and stretch the budget to an AB-II? I suspect it might be the same story as most people, try an AB-I, then continually upgrade until all your other brands of basses have been sold. :) As a bit of background, I mainly play funk, rock, prog-rock styles and am also learning Chapman Stick, so I'm already used to non-conventional instruments. :) Current main bass in an ash/ash MTD 535 with a fairly open/full sound, but also have a Tobias Classic 5 and MM Stingray 5. I've previously owned Tobias Killer B-5, Peavey Cirrus 5, Warwick Thumb 6, Alembic Excel 4, etc. Generally prefer the sound of pickups closer to the bridge, so maybe the Z2/Z3 would be ideal for me.... Thanks for your time! Cheers, Justin
13 years ago
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Welcome. Based on the fact that you prefer PU's closer to the bridge I would go Z2 or Z3 w/SJ Phatties if your budget allows. Otherwise the ABII-5's are perfect. I have 2 ABII-5's and sold all my parallel fretted basses and then some to afford them.
13 years ago
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IMO and IME, you can only get a Z2 sound from a Z2 (not from an AB I or AB II, which are super great instruments in their own grounds). For much more versatility and a touch less snap you go for AB II's (an AB II can sound close to an AB I but the use of the preamp is a must)
13 years ago
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Greetings friend! My first suggestion is to do a bunch of research on the forum. The specs for AB1,AB2, Z's 1,2 & 3 and the Primas have all changed since posted on the main website and have gone through revisions within the past few months too. You'll find the most up to date info here, and you'll find the best of user opinions here too. Fer instance, FD-3's are not made or designed by Fury as the earlier FD-1s were, and as of this winter, FD-3's are also in a new 'Mach2' format. Body woods, neck designs, body designs and electronics have also changed recently...so look carefully. Welcome to the world's best basses!
13 years ago
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Thanks for the quick responses, guys! Don't suppose anyone has sound files of their Z2 or AB-II they could share? I really shouldn't make a decision based on the only Dingwall I've heard live, especially given it was Leland Sklar and we all know that soooo much sound comes from the fingers and soul of the player. :) Is there much versatility in the sound of the Z2? Or is it just so good that you don't care? :D Can you get a nice singing solo tone out of either model in the higher registers? Or is that not so much of a feature of Dingwall basses, due to the consistent tone and tension across the neck? Just trying to get an idea of whether to aim for a phat "working" bass or a more versatile "show-off/solo" bass. :) Cheers, EG
13 years ago
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Welcome aboard, evilgus. Here's a possible strategy for you: Pickup an ABI or an ABII and put it to the test for awhile while you consider ordering a Z3 (a new Dingwall model), which is the equivalent of a Z2 and a Z1 wrapped together. There will be a few Z3s delivered to several of us who contribute to the forum soon so you can get impressions as they are formed and make your decision accordingly. It takes somewhere around 2 years (check with Dingwall Sales on this) to get a Z made so having the AB will tied you over. As BurningSkies mentioned, there are lots of subtle changes and innovations to learn about so you may want some experimentation/learning time in order to get the exact bass you desire. Sydney -- lots of fond memories, my wife and I had a great time there on our honeymoon. John
13 years ago
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[quote="evilgus":p4jcbn9d]Hi folks, I guess I mainly want to know more about the sound differences between the different models, mainly because I'm not sure I can justify/afford going straight for a Z2 or higher model without the chance to hear or play one first. (And there's no chance of that, as I'm in Sydney, Australia, where Dingers are rarer than virgins. :P) [/quote:p4jcbn9d] G'day. I bought an AB-1 last July (without having touched one) and received it at Christmas time. It's the only one I know of in Australia (although I think I heard of a band in Perth whose bassist used one?) so perhaps we might hook up sometime if you want to give it a try. I realise how frustrating and scary it is to buy before you try, but rest assured you won't be disappointed regardless. With the Aussie dollar as it is it's a good time to buy, but man, I reckon a Z-anything would be right out of my budget.
13 years ago
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Hey Callum, Great to hear I was wrong about there being none in Sydney, I'd love to get together and have a look & listen! Will PM you my email and mobile #. Cheers, Justin
13 years ago
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[quote="John H.":3tjianmf]Welcome aboard, evilgus. Here's a possible strategy for you: Pickup an ABI or an ABII and put it to the test for awhile while you consider ordering a Z3 (a new Dingwall model), which is the equivalent of a Z2 and a Z1 wrapped together. There will be a few Z3s delivered to several of us who contribute to the forum soon so you can get impressions as they are formed and make your decision accordingly. It takes somewhere around 2 years (check with Dingwall Sales on this) to get a Z made so having the AB will tied you over. As BurningSkies mentioned, there are lots of subtle changes and innovations to learn about so you may want some experimentation/learning time in order to get the exact bass you desire. John[/quote:3tjianmf] Good advice, John. +1. I got a high-end Dingwall as my first, but I'm sure the outcome (Dingwall GAS) would have been the same in the end if I had bought an AB first. Mark
13 years ago
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Just like guitarded, I started out with the high-end Dingwalls moved to highest-end Dingwalls and still I got a Super PJ, a pair of AB I's and an AB II. I can say in all honesty, that the AB line is a highly under-rated line of great instruments
13 years ago
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[quote="evilgus":3vemxx5c] Great to hear I was wrong about there being none in Sydney...[/quote:3vemxx5c] There must be virgins out there too! ;-)
13 years ago
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Hahaha, I better stick to chasing Dingwalls, but even that will get me in trouble with the Auditor, er, I mean the wife. :) What is currently a fair price for an AB-I Fiver in good condition? There's one on ebay for US$1900-2000 and I think one recently sold for a bit less than that on Talkbass. I need to decide what basses I'll have to sell up front, so I can fund a purchase and not get hauled over the coals by the Auditor. :) Z3....mmmmmm..... EG
13 years ago
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It seems to me that there is a wide window of pricing depending upon the bass...they seem to move for anywhere between $1500 to $1900 these days. If you want to keep the $$$ to a minimum look for an older AB with no fancy top.
13 years ago
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Hey evilgus, my interests are very similar to yours: funk, rock, prog. I've also owned 2 Peavey US Custom Cirrus 6ers and a MM Stingray, and tried most of the other basses you listed, in stores. I've now got 2 Dingwall AB I's: a 5 and a 6 string, and a Lakland 5594. My opinion, go with an AB I. It will definitely outperform anything you've played to date! And, with the pickup selector switch you can get a humbucker tone, a jazz bass tone, whatever you need. I'm not a knob tweaker, so a preamp doesn't really suit me. I find one setting on all my basses, and leave it there, usually. This doesn't mean that I don't want a Z3, I do!! But, I really can't justify buying one when an AB suits me and my ears so well :D . I think you'll agree if you get one. Oh BTW don't think that AB's are lesser instruments then their higher priced brethren. My Lakland would retail new for around $4000 US, and my Dingers are equal to it in quality, craftsmenship, and most importantly....sound. Good luck in your search. :)
13 years ago
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Thanks guys, I'll keep researching prices, but it's tricky when there's not many around for sale. :) Thanks, Jedi, good to know a bit more about what to expect. I'm actually not too fussed about the electronics in my first one, but mainly because I have a number of spare pre-amps laying around and even some Alembic MXY56 pickups I could get fitted if I end up with a 2nd-hand Dingwall with a few marks and scrapes. Now if I can just decide what to sell to get some cash together!!! :( EG
13 years ago
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