Tuesday, 20 January 2009
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There may be others here that can answer this question, but I thought this might be the best place to post it. Either way I'm looking for a bit of enlightenment on a subject I know very little about. I've had discussions with a hand full of bass players and guitarists in the past and what I've gathered (whether it's right or wrong, I don't know for sure) is that electric guitar and bass fret boards became radiused due to the mid-range frequencies being more pronounced through the pickups of the time. So with the middle strings slightly further from the pickup it should to some small extent correct the issue. Why is it that, with the quality of modern pickups and the ability to design and build them with a very even frequency response, luthiers continue to build instruments with radiused fret boards? Sorry my question isn't more Dingwall-centric! Any insight is appreciated.
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Most stringed instruments tend to have highly curved fingerboards. It derived from the need to play two adjectant strings simultaneously with a bow. Maybe Fenders have small radiuses just because mr. Leo Fender wanted to make the electric basses feel right for the upright players? As time went on, the curvatures became less extreme, I guess. Here's some info [url:20q71hqq]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerboard[/url:20q71hqq]
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Another reason for curved finger boards is that the human finger is more effective in pushing when slightly curved, rather than having to push completely flat. This is why you'll find many older players choosing more curved boards as their poor fingers can't flatten out like they used to. Luckily we bass players aren't playing as many chords as guitar players, but the theory is still the same.
12 years ago
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I appreciate the replies, guys. These are things I've heard before in previous discussions and one person pointed out that classical guitars have flat boards...I hadn't thought of that. Some of the most impressive fret work I've ever seen has been played by classical guitarists. The question still eats at me...
12 years ago
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[img:2b64mcab]http://www.littleguitarworks.com/layout/Img380.jpg[/img:2b64mcab]
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[quote="Phoncible":ujoegwah][img:ujoegwah]http://www.littleguitarworks.com/layout/Img380.jpg[/img:ujoegwah][/quote:ujoegwah] :D I saw those some time ago. Seems like a logical concept, I guess... But still, that fret board is rediused.
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What about torsal twist with fanned-fret? Since fanned-fret is about having the right individual length, and a twist expands the outmost strings. Therefore, the frets should be concave, curved inwards, in order to maintain the exact string lengths. Of course, a few milimetes of individual scale difference are simply not important; but that neck would be really weird. I mean, imagine a torsal-twist fanned-fret bass whose frets are curved inwards, with a compound radius.. A geometry hell. It should be called "The Pythagorean" :lol:
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mm yeah, sorry for beeing ot, just the first thing i was thinking about when it came to flat/radiused beeing more or less ergonomically correct. and goddamn(!!) i'd love to try a ding with a twist.
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A Torzal Dingwall would truly be the ultimate expression of the instrument. The most comfortable most tonally correct bass ever.
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So, Sheldon, any thoughts? On the flat board, that is...the Torzal would be cool, but there's already plenty to read about the benefits of that.
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Flat fretboards would surely simplify things production-wise. This is something that other bass builders have tried, but until now, we have had no interest in. The Torzal would be a minor nightmare to pull off. I'd have to try one to get a feel for the benefits vs. trouble.
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":2enikkok]Flat fretboards would surely simplify things production-wise. This is something that other bass builders have tried, but until now, we have had no interest in.[/quote:2enikkok] ...meaning you are now interested in checking out the possibilities? :?: [quote="Sheldon Dingwall":2enikkok]The Torzal would be a minor nightmare to pull off. I'd have to try one to get a feel for the benefits vs. trouble.[/quote:2enikkok] I would pee myself................... :shock:
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[quote="davio":3ni6ir6u][quote="Sheldon Dingwall":3ni6ir6u]Flat fretboards would surely simplify things production-wise. This is something that other bass builders have tried, but until now, we have had no interest in.[/quote:3ni6ir6u] ...meaning you are now interested in checking out the possibilities? :?: [quote="Sheldon Dingwall":3ni6ir6u]The Torzal would be a minor nightmare to pull off. I'd have to try one to get a feel for the benefits vs. trouble.[/quote:3ni6ir6u] I would pee myself................... :shock:[/quote:3ni6ir6u] I'm always interested in ways to do things better. The question at the business level is always can the cost be justified. I don't think the Torzal could be. The flat fingerboard being subtle would be easier to slip in. That being said, I have no plans to change the fingerboard radius without a boat-load of testing.
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":1uqvps0f]I'm always interested in ways to do things better. The question at the business level is always can the cost be justified. I don't think the Torzal could be. The flat fingerboard being subtle would be easier to slip in. That being said, I have no plans to change the fingerboard radius without a boat-load of testing.[/quote:1uqvps0f] Very cool. That's exactly what initially drew me to your basses a few years ago...innovation and willingness to fly in the face of convention if it will make for a better instrument and a marketable product. Thanks for the input, Sheldon! All the best in your research!
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I enjoy playing some classical guitar and find the flat board comfortable. I also really like the flat board on my Cliff Bordwell bass. It was a super odd thing to find used but it's like it was made just for me. I think a flat fretboard would work GREAT on a Dingwall bass. [img:1pyflaq4]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/Wademeister/DSCN1339.jpg[/img:1pyflaq4]
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