Friday, 06 April 2007
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Hey everyone, I realize that posting this on a Dingwall forum, I am likely to get a somewhat biased perspective to this request, but I really need some help here. I was going to drive to Texas next week, and play both a 55-02 and an ABI along the way, through my rig, and buy one or the other. But now my trip has been unavoidably postponed indefinitely. However, I still need the fiver. The reason I am considering a 55-02 is that they are highly versatile tonally, and are supposedly very fine basses considering they are made in Korea. They are also priced quite reasonably at about $1150. I really am trying to be economically responsible. On the other hand, I have never had the pleasure of holding a fanned fret bass in my grubby hands, so I have no idea what they sound like or play like. However, I have done tons of research, reading everything I can on the ABs. So I am impressed in the virtual sense, but......... Given that I must now buy the ABI without benefit of playing it first, I am really in quandry. I could save several hundred dollars and get a very fine and versatile fiver with which I am already familiar, or I can take the flyer on the ABI, spend more money and hope it is what I really want. BTW, I am playing mainly classic and modern rock, and I have a Sadowsky P-Bass as my four banger, which I love. Help me, please! :shock: :oops:
15 years ago
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I'm afraid nobody but you can call this one. The Lakie IS a good value, verstile bass and it'll save some doubloons, but it sure isn't a Dinger. The AB will cut better, sound clearer and ooze more of quality . IMO it won't be more tonally versatile. The fan won't phase you but the longer scale may take some getting used to. Good luck!
15 years ago
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[quote="lomo":29qhfgbp]I'm afraid nobody but you can call this one. The Lakie IS a good value, verstile bass and it'll save some doubloons, but it sure isn't a Dinger. The AB will cut better, sound clearer and ooze more of quality . IMO it won't be more tonally versatile. The fan won't phase you but the longer scale may take some getting used to. Good luck![/quote:29qhfgbp] Lomo, thanks for the balanced response. When you say "it" won't be more tonally versatile, do you mean the ABI? So in your opinion, the ABI is well-worth the extra bucks? Also, did you have any problems going back and forth between the DW's and the parallel fret basses?
15 years ago
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I had no trouble at all with the fanned frets, but I had some difficulty with the scale length and couldn't maintain my legato with it-that's why I returned to 35" and am awaiting SJ5. Keep in mind that most others don't seem to encounter this and that I'm a passionate hack, not a seasoned pro. No, I don't think either bass will be more tonally versatile than the other, but the sound produced by the DW will, IMO, humble the Lakland. The fit and finish will also be better and I find the Lakland neck quite chunky and much prefer the thinness (front to back) of the AB. Further, the even string tension will be a real treat-I still get that from a fanned 32-35 5er, even if the 35" B can't stand up to the 37" (for $$%#^ real!). If you want the 5 to make people's livers oscillate, the DW B will deliver like no other.
15 years ago
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Thanks Morris for your input. I really do like the idea of blending someone's liver with my playing! :twisted: To be honest, I am not a seasoned pro either, but I'm working on it!! But I don't seem to have trouble with long scales, so that doesn't scare me too much. I think what has me most concerned is several peoples' comments that they don't like the tone. Of course, this usually does not come with much explanation, so I take it with a grain or two of salt. But I think the one point you made that REALLY got my attention was the comment about the neck. I too like a thinner, rather than a chunky neck. That may have been enough right there to clinch it for me!
15 years ago
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Banjo frets will be the other difference. I've never heard anyone who tried them dislike them, and I love 'em (I spec'ed 'em on my custom CB).
15 years ago
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[quote="lomo":2p1p3nw2]Banjo frets will be the other difference. I've never heard anyone who tried them dislike them, and I love 'em (I spec'ed 'em on my custom CB).[/quote:2p1p3nw2] I have read that they seem to wear down quickly, and that can cause uneven wear and lead to buzzing. But I guess that isn't that big of a deal. What is a CB?
15 years ago
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Also, another thing to consider is that the string spacing on the AB is narrower than on the Lakland. I have a 55-01 and I find it a little too wide. In fact, I found it easier to adjust to the 37" - 34" scale length of the Dingwall than the 35" of the Lakland. And yes, the AB is really clear all the way down to low B and the even tension across all the strings is really nice. I find that you have to play with a lighter touch on the B-string of the Lakland in comparison to the other strings. And quality... the Dingwall wins hands down. All that being said, the Laklands are great value for the money. I think the AB's are worth the extra dough though.
15 years ago
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This might interest you, although the price could be a little better IMO: http://cgi.ebay.com/Dingwall-AB1-Afterb ... dZViewItem
15 years ago
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[quote="Smallmouth_Bass":2sc2jzsd]Also, another thing to consider is that the string spacing on the AB is narrower than on the Lakland. I have a 55-01 and I find it a little too wide. In fact, I found it easier to adjust to the 37" - 34" scale length of the Dingwall than the 35" of the Lakland. And yes, the AB is really clear all the way down to low B and the even tension across all the strings is really nice. I find that you have to play with a lighter touch on the B-string of the Lakland in comparison to the other strings. And quality... the Dingwall wins hands down. All that being said, the Laklands are great value for the money. I think the AB's are worth the extra dough though.[/quote:2sc2jzsd] Thanks for your response Mr. Bass! Actually, I tend to like the wider string spacing myself, although 18mm is just fine for a fiver. I had a Warwick FNA Jazzman LTD and I loved the sound, but did not like the 16.5 mm spacing. That was just too narrow. Given that you have had experience in playing both, could you give me an idea of the tonal differences. I know that is hard, but I would love to have an idea what they sound like comparatively.
15 years ago
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[quote="Dragonlord":39o3fk37]This might interest you, although the price could be a little better IMO: http://cgi.ebay.com/Dingwall-AB1-Afterb ... dZViewItem[/quote:39o3fk37] Thanks for the heads up on that DL, I agree that the price should be a bit lower. I have my eye on a new one that I can pick up for about $1800. No flamed top, but very nice indeed. I guess I should just pull the damn trigger and STFU!!
15 years ago
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[quote="BuffaloBob":ezhh2ocs] Thanks for your response Mr. Bass! Actually, I tend to like the wider string spacing myself, although 18mm is just fine for a fiver. I had a Warwick FNA Jazzman LTD and I loved the sound, but did not like the 16.5 mm spacing. That was just too narrow. Given that you have had experience in playing both, could you give me an idea of the tonal differences. I know that is hard, but I would love to have an idea what they sound like comparatively.[/quote:ezhh2ocs] Well, I have to say that I haven't played the Lakland much at all because I got a Dingwall soon after. That in itself says a lot. The 55-02 may be somewhat different, but the 55-01 sounds pretty tame. It has a solid sound, but I find the Afterburners are more aggressive. The ABI's are passive, but they are as loud as many active basses. They look modern and different, but they can get many vintage style tones. I have heard someone talk about it as "a jazz on steroids". It will get great J tones and it will do a P well too and all with crystal-like clarity. To me, that is the biggest plus of the Dingwall. You really don't notice it so much until you play one exclusively and then go back and play another bass. It's almost like you can't hear the notes anymore; they are somewhat blurred. I guess that doesn't help too much. I just haven't played the 55-01 that much, so it's hard to comment on it. By the way, it's for sale! :D
15 years ago
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That helps a lot! If I could describe the sound I'm trying to get, it would be vintage vibe with a bit of modern clarity. And with the versatility to range between vintage and modern. And I guess I could always get an outboard pre if I really wanted to boost the lows or the mids, although it sounds like that won't be necessary. Besides, I would be running it into an Aggie DB659 to a Crest CA9 and then into a Schroeder 210212L. Probably enough amplification to the signal there anyway! OK, sounds like I just need to go for it!
15 years ago
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It's just a tough call, not being able to play the Dingwall yourself first. I used to play a deluxe 55-94 and liked it a lot. So much I custom ordered a very similar instrument (Kinal MK-21) with a reverse-P pickup which I like even more. Then I discovered Dingwall. I had to buy before trying. The Kinal and AB-1 are still here, the Lakland moved to Switzerland, of all places... :shock: I don't have to worry about copping specific tones. My focus is praise and worship and don't gig anymore. I play 36" TI Jazz Flats on my Afterburner and it still has a sweet high-end response you have to hear to believe. As well as being one of the easiest basses to finger, it only weighs 8.0 lbs so is very easy on the shoulder. One thing to keep in mind is that bass tone is similar to the nearly eternal ss/tube debate. You are going to hear the difference before anyone in the audience will. Smallmouth_Bass's comment about being able to "hear the note" on a Dingwall vs. any mono-scale bass is right on IME. It's even more pronounced on the B string. Well there's my ramble. In essence, I prefer Dingwall's playability, weight, and 'hearability'. Anyway I don't attempt specific descriptions of tone and REFUSE to dance about architecture... :D Best of luck making up your mind, Bob! Ken
15 years ago
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Spiritbass, What are your comments on DW Strings vs. the TI flats? I use Thomastic flats on my MTD and really like them. I will be getting my Prima Artist in the near future(in production) with DW strings. I will most likely try the TI flats? Was there much adjustment to with the neck switchingthe DW with the flats?
15 years ago
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I bought my AB unseen and w/o ever playing a Dingwall and am totally satisfied. My "Lakie" now sits in the corner and hasn't been touched since I found true love. :lol: For me, there is no comparison.
15 years ago
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[quote="dsincjr":2h3l4k7m]Spiritbass, What are your comments on DW Strings vs. the TI flats? I use Thomastic flats on my MTD and really like them. I will be getting my Prima Artist in the near future(in production) with DW strings. I will most likely try the TI flats? Was there much adjustment to with the neck switchingthe DW with the flats?[/quote:2h3l4k7m] I didn't leave the DW strings on very long. I passed them along to another DW player in the area. The TI jazz flats are a very unique string. They are the lowest tension flatwound that I know of in existence. They have more mids & highs compared to a normal flatwound string. You will need a little adjustment to the truss rod due to less tension than the DW strings. No problem with fit in the nut or at the bridge. If you can find a dealer that will substitute a 34" G, you would get silk-only contact with the tuner post. With the 36" G, the windings contact the post. Not a problem, just a nit-pick. Ken
15 years ago
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Hi Ken, Thank you for your imput. I will definately try them. David
15 years ago
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Thanks everyone for your input. I've decided to hold off a bit, and see if I can get the cabbage together for an ABII. BUT, if I fail to do that, I will go with an ABI for sure.
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