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Has anyone had a chance to hear the new Mach II's in their bass?
14 years ago
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#7838
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Buffalo I think that would be the cheapest least invasive fix. I know what you mean w/the stray harmonics and I think it's a muting technique issue. Sometimes I'll hear harmonic ringing and I think man I'm muting the string and actually it's my finger resting perfectly over the fret. 2 fingers will stop it or resting your pinky and index finger firmly on the E and A strings on your plucking hand. I'm trying to make this technique more automatic. I'm not sure I would be as happy w/my ABII-5 if it didn't have the hybrid treble pot. Even with the treble rolled all the way back it still has an awesome sound and is similar to the Blueqube being engaged w/fine tuning ability. The treble cut tapers off slowly until about the last 20% of the rotation. I think you'll love it.
14 years ago
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[quote="Funkshwey":1d4tztrr]Buffalo the hybrid treble control is essential to getting a warmer less clacky more forgiving tone. You should definitely mod. It's not your strings or your PUs, it's the lack of ability to passively roll off highs IMO.[/quote:1d4tztrr] Hey Funk, Thanks for your input, and as well as others discussing technique in this thread as it pertains to string noise. I have been really working on technique as a potential way to eliminate some of the string noise i am experiencing. My string noise issue is not of the clickity clack ilk, but is more of a harsh harmonic type. When I do slides (glissandos), I can get some strong harmonics ringing and no amount of technique work has reduced this for me. Also, just moving around the board can leave some strong harmonics ringing and harsh string noise when using guide fingers, etc.. I have tried cutting highs and even high mids on my GBE 600, and I have tried adjusting the tweeter control on my Schroeder 210212L, but this does not help much either. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the phat growl of my ABII, but I would like to reduce the ringing and string noise. It may be technique and I just don't know it, but I think Funk's suggestion is probably right. Being able to roll off the highs a bit on the bass is probably the solution. I think I need to order a HTC kit and install it.
14 years ago
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[quote="Brim":33402iwh][quote="Funkshwey":33402iwh][quote="Brim":33402iwh]I just realized my post have some serious grammatical errors...fixed them. Anyhow, yeah I love well placed ghost notes and muted notes. Listen to Jaco, Marcus, Manring, and others....they all employ the technique very well.[/quote:33402iwh] Well since you mentioned it Brim... :P It should be: I just realized my post [i:33402iwh]has[/i:33402iwh] some serious... or: I just realized my [i:33402iwh]posts[/i:33402iwh] have some serious...[/quote:33402iwh] Hehe...man I type so badly..I have to look at the keys while typing![/quote:33402iwh] Me too.
14 years ago
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[quote="Funkshwey":3f4plvgi][quote="Brim":3f4plvgi]I just realized my post have some serious grammatical errors...fixed them. Anyhow, yeah I love well placed ghost notes and muted notes. Listen to Jaco, Marcus, Manring, and others....they all employ the technique very well.[/quote:3f4plvgi] Well since you mentioned it Brim... :P It should be: I just realized my post [i:3f4plvgi]has[/i:3f4plvgi] some serious... or: I just realized my [i:3f4plvgi]posts[/i:3f4plvgi] have some serious...[/quote:3f4plvgi] Hehe...man I type so badly..I have to look at the keys while typing!
14 years ago
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By the way, for string noise try cutting at around 1khz. It helped me a lot back when I had (even) worse technique than today.
14 years ago
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[quote="Funkshwey":2nhynqjl]Well since you mentioned it Brim... :P It should be: I just realized my post [i:2nhynqjl]has[/i:2nhynqjl] some serious... or: I just realized my [i:2nhynqjl]posts[/i:2nhynqjl] have some serious...[/quote:2nhynqjl] Don't ask me!!! I am just a bass player :P :P :P
14 years ago
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[quote="Brim":v2l70mne]I just realized my post have some serious grammatical errors...fixed them. Anyhow, yeah I love well placed ghost notes and muted notes. Listen to Jaco, Marcus, Manring, and others....they all employ the technique very well.[/quote:v2l70mne] Well since you mentioned it Brim... :P It should be: I just realized my post [i:v2l70mne]has[/i:v2l70mne] some serious... or: I just realized my [i:v2l70mne]posts[/i:v2l70mne] have some serious...
14 years ago
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I just realized my post have some serious grammatical errors...fixed them. Anyhow, yeah I love well placed ghost notes and muted notes. Listen to Jaco, Marcus, Manring, and others....they all employ the technique very well.
14 years ago
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[quote="fullrangebass":w08t8izu]Thank you Brim for validating the application of the "clicking" technique with your approach :P You are playing the snare with your bass " so I replied " No, you are not to be eliminated, yet, cause I still have a use for you :P :P :P ".[/quote:w08t8izu] Yeah to load your bass rig in and out. :lol: I'm a drummer too. I sometimes do the same thing, kinda upswing and slap/click the strings when I feel the drummer isn't driving it strong enough. I try to stay away from it though. I do a ghost note muted before the kick alot to. I'm being more cognizant of that too. When I played live w/a UA 6176 and no amp it was like having the kick play every note with you w/the compressor on. Pure heaven for me.
14 years ago
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Thank you Brim for validating the application of the "clicking" technique with your approach Because the Dingwalls are really full range basses (hence my username) I hear certain guitar players complaining that I invade their territory (esp with the Transparent one)!!! When I started using the clicks, first time with this new drummer, the drummer turns around and says " after eliminating the guitar player am I the next in line? :P You are playing the snare with your bass " so I replied " No, you are not to be eliminated, yet, cause I still have a use for you :P :P :P ".
14 years ago
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I hear you Full. On a few occasions, at church, we've started a song that the bass part doesn't start for a verse or two. I'll unintentionally start mute tapping the strings with my right hand like a 2 & 4 snare hit - people starting clapping along! That was cool.
14 years ago
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I love my highs A LOT, too. The click sound discussed above, I use it in a sense of a snare drum being used by a drummer. I consider the bass being 50% a percussive instrument (harmonic and melodic being the rest 50% of the function), that joins the mother of the composition (the drummer) with the rest of the music. With the click I can augment the accents of the drummer or give a sub-division accent to allow for "space management" in music. I use the click as the antipode of the Thump in slapping, yet functioning the same (works for me). It takes a bit of open-minded musicians around to realize the use of "muted" and click notes IMHO. Plus,if the drummer does not know the song, I can drive him through
14 years ago
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It probly comes from all my years of playing electric guitar, but string noise is not usually a problem for me, and I tend to use a little more high end in my sound than most. However I can relate, because i think certain basses bring out certain technique issues for different players. The biggest gripe I used to have with my last Stingray was that I would get this really annoying string click while playing. In time I figured that it was from the way I attack the strings and how that bass registered the sound. Didn't happen with my other basses, but I noticed it on any 'ray that I played and I had to modify my technique a little when playng one. The question is whether getting a fatter sounding pickup will actually solve your problem. If the pup still has similar high frequency response, you may still be in the same boat. Changing strings may reduce some of the noise but often at a trade-off. I think funkshwey is right. EQ is probably help you more than anything. Have you tried cutting trebble on your amp to see if it helps. There is one gig I play where the house amp is an SWR with a 210 +piezo tweeter that just doesn't sit well with me. It's way too trebly even for me. I can't necessarily mess with the tone controls, because another guy uses it regularly, and the cab sits under a drum riser where I can't get to the tweeter control. In this case the onboard OBP3 really comes in handy. I actually cut the treble all the way and give a slight bass boost which gives me a usable sound.
14 years ago
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Buffalo the hybrid treble control is essential to getting a warmer less clacky more forgiving tone. You should definitely mod. It's not your strings or your PUs, it's the lack of ability to passively roll off highs IMO.
14 years ago
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I Love the growl of the low end. It is truly the best I have ever heard, bar none. BUT. the string noise bothers me. I hve tried to alter my tehnique, and have now tried the D'Add nickels and the string noise is still very strong. Perhaps adding the Hybrid Treble Control would be the better option? Love the growl, do not like the string noise. If I could afford two ABIIs, I would buy an new version with all the bells and whistles and leave my FD1 equipped ABII alone. But alas, I cannot. So I am looking for a compromise.
14 years ago
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[quote="BuffaloBob":1frew4qh]I'm considering trying the Mach II as a replacement for my FD1 bridge PUP so I would be pairing it with an FD1 in the neck posiiton. Anyone have any thoughts as to how that would work? :shock:[/quote:1frew4qh] :shock: NOOOOOOO!!!!! Don't do it! :wink: Seriously though, I can't imagine giving up my FD1 in the bridge for anything. The bridge has the most amazing growl, especially combined with a slight bass boost and a touch of tube overdrive. Oh, yeah. 8) I wish Sheldon would bring them back.
14 years ago
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I'm considering trying the Mach II as a replacement for my FD1 bridge PUP so I would be pairing it with an FD1 in the neck posiiton. Anyone have any thoughts as to how that would work? :shock:
14 years ago
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I've only done one gig with the MachII through my big rig, so the jury is still out as far the amout of fart I'll be able to get. I didn't have time to experiment that much because I was running a bit late. However, the new FD3/MachII/four-way selector set up in my Voodoo has given it a totally new sound, very strong, up-front, and present, along with amazing clarity, qualities the Barts never really had. I was not able to get the Mach to burp as much as the bridge pup in my PJ basses through my practice amp when I compared the two, though. I'll have to tinker with things a bit more before I have an answer. Mark
14 years ago
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[quote="John H.":f3bsr5yh]So far, I like it in bridge pup alone and in series. In parallel, the bass sounds a bit hollow to me (I've not been able to get a great, cut through the mix sound out of parellel, anyway, so don't use it when playing with the band).[/quote:f3bsr5yh] My AB-II with FD-3's cuts plenty really well through the on-stage mix with my Eden rig (and I'm told everything is heard out front). It might just be that Eden d210xst cab that gives me that bark or grind. I've found series mode to be too "present" for me...very hot. I'm really sticking with parallel for 90% of the time - the rest I like to go bridge only for a little more burp. I wonder how much difference a MachII bridge & a hybrid treble knob would make in my current (and satisfied) sound. 8)
14 years ago
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I installed th Mach II last Friday in my ABII-5. My first impression was that it is one HOT pickup that barks like crazy. Hot in regards to gain, that is. It pretty much overwhelmed the FD-3 in the bridge position as the tone of the bass-boosted bridge pup alone was very similar to series/passive/flat. Then I realized why that might be: I had put the Mach II at the same height above the body as the FD-3 had been, which had been raised up to get a bit more punch and grind. I then lowered the Mach II one full turn and raised the neck pup one full turn and that brought things into balance much better. So far, I like it in bridge pup alone and in series. In parallel, the bass sounds a bit hollow to me (I've not been able to get a great, cut through the mix sound out of parellel, anyway, so don't use it when playing with the band). So far I've only used it with the Bergantino IP112 at home, but will give it a more full runthrough with the Eden rig this week.
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