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Hi everyone!
I just bought my first Dingwall last week (AB 1 - 5 String) and WOW what an amazing bass! Seems to be very versatile as far as tones go and the fanned frets aren't that hard to get used to. At band rehearsal the other night, my bandmates said that the Dingwall sounds better than my Sadowsky Jazz. Very high compliments...I have a question for everyone: What amp and cabinet combination works best with your AB 1? I know tone is a subjective science at best, but was just curious as to what you're running. I was thinking of buying a 2x12 cabinet by Accugroove, the IP series from Bergantino, or maybe the Aguilar 2x12. I would really appreciate any thoughts from those of you who have any of those cabs, with additional comments on tone with your set-up too. Even if you dont have any of those cabs, please feel free to chime in too. The more feedback - the better. Thanks!
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I love my Eden stuff, but reeeaaaaaally wanna try the Phil Jones cabs. The idea of smaller speakers responding faster makes so much physical sense (like Novax). Sounds like the ultimate recipe for punch. I've heard only great things about them , but I want an A-B comparison.
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bass trax-
welcome to the Dingwall bass addiction forum.

Just and FYI -no bass exist w/o a picture, so first thing first- we need to see the bass and your smiling face

Okay cab and amps, WOW you've hit a huge topic. I'd say What ever you like. There is a member of talkbass.com, who pretty much purchased every cab and amp possible (rich lawyer) and has done tone test and side-by-side comparisons. I think the link beloew might be a good first look. Thats said, I've used anything and everything w/ my Dingwall. When I'm gigging out and the club has backline equip I use it (believe me your ABI will kill thru 2 Ampeg 8X10s :shock: ).
When I bring my own, I carry light and punchy. I used to use Hartke Stuff, the 4.5 makes a Dingwall sound thick and punchy, but earlier this year I bought Accugroove, and honestly to my ears its what a bass cab is supposed to sound like. I got 2 tri210s, just because I thought 1 tri210 sounded amazing. Its like have a huge studio monitors in back of you- I love it, but its missing fat lows. So now I'm thinking of either a tri115 or a tri112 just to fill in the bottom. I just want portability and at my young age I refuse to lug 150lbs of gear up stairs.
Anyway my opinion is you cant go wrong w/ any of the top name brands, esp when you start your signal chain w/ a Dingwall, plus the FD3 p'ups are so hot most people will think your running actives.
ENjoy the bass
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[quote="FrankM":1rzqy5zb]

There is a member of talkbass.com, who pretty much purchased every cab and amp possible (rich lawyer) and has done tone test and side-by-side comparisons.

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Frank, I'm pretty sure he's also a member of this forum now as well (he got the KILLER Z from basscentral - man am I jealous!), but yeah, his gear list over on talkbass is nuts. I don't know how he can keep all that stuff in one house!

As for amps/cabs, I run my AB6 through a Thunderfunk TFB550B into a Schroeder Mini 12+ (4 ohms, 500W). The amp weighs about 16lbs, and the cab weighs about 30, though I can't say for sure, I haven't weighed either. It's plenty loud (Jorg Schroeder himself told me he uses this cab for gigs up to 150 people). Plus, the cab handles the Dingwall low-B very well. Jorg said he uses 7 and 8-string basses tuned as low as F# without any problems. So there's my recommendation - T-funk/Schroeder!

Joe
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Frank, did you just say 2, as in TWO 8x10s?

I'll have to introduce that concept to my dentist... SubSonic Filling Removal

Anyway, bass_trax, I'd sample as many as you can. I'm personally loving anything and everything made by SWR.
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AB1 + IP212 = :D
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I recently picked up two Bergantino 1x12s (HT112 & EX112) and a MarkBass Little Mark II and they sound great with the Dingwalls. I have yet to play them out, but I have a gig with a new band in about a month where they will get their first real test. They seem really loud and it sounds [i:2b4v2c7y]really[/i:2b4v2c7y] good flat with only minor tweaking.

For size and weight, the setup is pretty good. The LMII weighs in at a little over 6lbs and the Bergs are about 38lbs each. The best thing is the cabs are really small and shallow. I can fit them in my Corolla trunk no problem and they are easy to carry.

Previously, I had two Eden cabs; a 210XLT and a 115. They were so big that they were awkward to carry around and hard to fit in the car. The 2x10 alone weighed about 68lbs. The new stuff sounds much better to my ears.

I've also played through a Hartke 3500 head and 4x10 (4.5XL) cabinet and that sounds pretty good too. Again, flat does the trick.
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I am a big fan of EA, Bergantino, Glockenklang, Phil Jones and some others. But, after playing through a lot of gear, my current reference solid state rig is a Bergantino IP cab (pick your model, they are all great) with your preamp of choice (or even without a preamp!). Yes, they are THAT good, IME/IMHO, of course.

If you prefer the seductive lure of tubes, then by all means the Sadowsky SA200 is top of the heap, through either a Bergantino NV series cab (now discontinuted) or the Sadowsky SA410 or SA210. That SA410 is probably the best gigging cab on the market for under $1k (again, IME/IMHO).

Tom.
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Thanks to all that replied. I'm going to start my journey with the Bergantino and Accugroove line and go from there. I currently have an Eden 410xlt and Navigator preamp which sounds great with the AB 1. However, I have that little devil on my shoulder telling me to buy a new cabinet to go with my new Dingwall. Frankly, I think the little bastard is right...
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[quote="FrankM":29ibmb8y]believe me your ABI will kill thru 2 Ampeg 8X10s :shock: [/quote:29ibmb8y]

Hey Frank, funny you should say that. I'm glad that this thread got started. I'm sort of in the same boat as bass_trax. I've been searching for the "B String from God" for ever. :shock: Then I came upon the holy grail of Dingwall and all was good with the world :D - sort of. I am still disappointed with the sound of the B string :( . Although it is light years better than my Fender Jazz 5 or my Steinburger, I haven't gotten the sound I want yet. I'm looking for B string punch and clarity to the max extent humanly possible. I'm open to the possibility that it's some other equipment thing, or perhaps a setting issue.

I got my ABII about 6 weeks ago and have been experimenting and learning ever since. I already own an AMPEG SVP-4-PRO and an AMPEG 8X10 cabinet, so I thought that the ABII would create the low frequency trifecta that I have been seeking. Unfortunately, I am not yet satisfied with what I have been able to do with the combo as of yet.

Let me fill in a detail or two and I would love to get feedback from all of you who have mastered or at least gotten a handle on the realities of the world below 40 HZ.

I got my ABII used, and the previous owner said that he had its neck, pickup height, and action settings changed considerably from stock. I doubt that that will impact low frequency punch and clarity, but I need to get it reset to Sheldon's stock settings.

I have not yet figured out how to take advantage of the bluEQube switch. When engaged, it seems to take something away from the sound, so I'm currently running it off.

I
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Instead of thinking 18 inches for the lowest of low, I've become a Phil Jones fan-If it's punch and definition you seek, think a wall of 5s and you will be VERY surprised by what you hear, and how astoundingly well you can hear it!
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That suggestion strikes me as couner intuitive :shock: , but I'm open to considering it. I should test drive something along these lines to get a better idea of what you are talking about. I don't really want to crack sheetrock, I just want to be heard, especially when I'm on the B.
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I just played through a Ampeg SVT 4-Pro and an 8x10 cab at the rehearsal studio tonight and liked it a lot. All the other rooms we have played in before have the STV 3-Pro, which sounds like crap.

I do find that the B-string notes have a lot more girth to them, regardless of the setups that I have tried. However, it is way less than any other 34" or 35" scale length basses I have ever played. In general, I find that my B-strings tend to go dead first or the quickest. I attribute that in part to the fact that that is where I anchor my thumb most of the time. Is it possible that dead strings might be playing a part?

I've also got a relatively new setup that I have yet to try live, but so far sounds really good and punchy and overall balanced. 2 1x12 Bergantino cabs with a MarkBass LMII head. Maybe having a large cabinet increases the amount of "mud" by reproducing more of the fundamental and lower harmonics.
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I have come a long way to find a rig that nicely reproduces the B string.

When one of my drivers of my Goliath III started failing, i looked for replacement speakers (i was keeping the cabinet; I use it with the EBS 615 and I am more than happy with the sound of DW's low B). I asked the technician to look which speaker could go down to 50 or even 45Hz, and to have the ability to handle some power. We ended up using some special JBL speakers (300W or 350W each with the requested specs specs). The Phil Jones speakers make sense in terms of physics but IMHO we would need the full stack 8T & 24B (or just the 24B) to feel and reproduce the B to our liking (space and money restrictions this time around, keeps me from trying this approach).

Restoring the bass to it's stock specs would definitely help to rectify part of the problem
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I agree that if you play very large venues, especially outdoors, you'd need the full Phil Jones setup to move enough air. However, if you're mainly playing club dates, I believe even a much smaller Phil Jones rig will be more than ample. I must admit this is based on reviews, however, since I haven't heard a full wall of those little drivers live. My suitcase delivers 200 watts at 8 Ohms into 4 of the little buggers. -certainly rattles the windows on all 3 floors of my home. More importantly, though, it never sounds muddy to me. Based on Ed Freidland's review of the suitcase and extension (total street price 1600. USD-300 watts/4 Ohms/ 8 liitle drivers, 2 channels, 2 light pieces, etc.), it sounds like this will amply fill most needs.

I also note that Pino Palladino said in his Bass Player interview that a Jones full stack is in his near future.......When I spoke with Phil Jones (who was VERY helpful) before buying, I urged him to try a Dingwall with his creations; I believe they're well matched for anyone seeking clarity and punch above all else (but not grit or grind).
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[quote="Smallmouth_Bass":2zdebonp]Is it possible that dead strings might be playing a part?[/quote:2zdebonp]

Very possible. I'm not going to put fresh strings on until I find a tech that I trust to reset the neck and action. I've found that most techs want a fresh set before they tinker, which makes perfect sense to me. I live in a rinky dink town and I don't trust the locals with my Ferrari Bass (ddduuuhhh, what the heck is that thaing anyhow?). So I'm thinking about a trip to DC - theres a Dingwall dealer there.
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Yeah head to DC. I'm sure Jong over at Jive Sound in Alexandria can get you set up.

There are a number of Dingwall players in the area so let us know if you head up.
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Hey basstrax...
OK, ok...so you want THE low end answer for definition? The best of the best?? Here is a way to get it, but it won't be super portable.
Look at a [i:27zbw2ux]Servodrive[/i:27zbw2ux] sub. Billy Sheehan used one of the BassTech 7's in his rig (even to record with!), but they are really big, and a horn style enclosure, so maybe not so good for a smaller room. The one to look at is the [i:27zbw2ux]Contrabass[/i:27zbw2ux]...2 active 15's, 2 passive 18's and FLAT to 15 cycles! [u:27zbw2ux]Super[/u:27zbw2ux] clean, and very efficient. Here is a link...
http://www.servodrive.com/contrabass.html
They ain't cheap, nor are they small and portable, but it will give you THE low end of all time. (They are also used at Disney, Michael Jackson used them on his tours, YES , U2, and lots of others use them.)
Hope your fillings are all tight!!!!

Regards,
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[quote="bassplayinbill":32aekyp5]My results are that the E string and up have great punch and clarity 8) . This thing pops! It cuts through the mix and stands alone without overdoing or outshining the other instrumentation in the mix (this is all live, BTW). But the B string is muddy and mushy :evil: !!! The execution is poor and it gets lost in the mix! I cannot figure out what the heck is going on. My equipment combo should knock it out of the park! I figure it must be equalization or some combo of other settings that is mucking up the lows. It could be that I need to check out some add on rack fixes like gates, compressors, or some other patch, but I am not certain as to where to start :?: . I have even considerred the possibility of getting 12's, 15's, or even 18's instead of a bunch of 10's to optimize lower frequency reproduction. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks[/quote:32aekyp5]

My experience with a Voodoo 5'er was tremendous; the B had more ring and clarity than any other one I've tried - not to mention the fundamental just thundered. However, it was too muddy (read: too much fundamental coming through) even still for the sound guys at my church. I had to sell the bass unfortunately and went back to the church's Cirrus 4. (One day I'll have another Dinger!!) As of late, I've been playing more songs in C, and have found that the Cirrus w/its 35" scale can tolerate tuning down that far very well. And, that E string still retains much of the 'tone' per say that it has when tuned up to E, so I've not gotten any complaints from the sound guys at all.

I came to the conclusion that if I went back to a Dingwall, I'd probably swap the .125" B with a .110" string (to play in our current venue). This would get me a lot closer to the way an E string normally sounds, but still allow me to play those low notes. Don't get me wrong, the B sounded awesome with the larger string, and actually made it practical for use all the time. But, you can't get around physics, and a .125" string will never perform like a lighter string such as a .095" or a .105". I just couldn't get it to play tight enough for them.

So, if I were on my own, I'd leave the .125" on there. I like the way it rumbles the floor. You may try the lighter string; it might be what you're looking for. Also, try cleaning your strings with denatured alcohol. That helps restore tone lost to finger oils and junk. BTW, I play through a Trace GP12 SMX 4x10 combo with two 2x15 extension cabs. On '2' it rocks.

Hope you find your 'tone'.

Eric
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[quote="Smallmouth_Bass":1p1eatkk]I recently picked up two Bergantino 1x12s (HT112 & EX112) and a MarkBass Little Mark II and they sound great with the Dingwalls. I have yet to play them out, but I have a gig with a new band in about a month where they will get their first real test.[/quote:1p1eatkk]

So I played with my setup the other night at a gig and I'm very happy with how it sounded. The stage was a slightly raised wood floor and the bass carried well. It sounded loud (at 2), clear (set almost flat) and had just the right amount of bass. We only put the vocals and a bit of bass drum through the PA and everything else came from the stage and it was sufficient to do the job. [i:1p1eatkk]And[/i:1p1eatkk] it was a painless and easy setup to move around!
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I was at Smallmouth's gig (quaffing a frosty) and he sounded great! The bass was clear as a bell, even though I was off axis from the PA and his cabs.
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