Monday, 11 May 2009
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Turned into a bit of a rant here, but... I've had an abII for a year and a half, which i recently traded for a Z1 with a fellow forumer. I always loved the ab, but was looking for a fatter tone with a bit less clangy top and more versatile electronics (even tho it havent bothered me, a better functional + better sounding bridge, even smoother tuners and sweeter looks doesnt exactly bother me either). However, imagining the Z1, with swamp ash body and maple board, would be exactly what i'd been missing might have been poorly thought trough, considering the change i was after. I guess i imagined the Z1 would sound somewhat like the ab, only fuller. However, i see now that they have their own distinctly different characters. The Z1 has a sweet tone, but doesnt really cut through or have the punch or growl needed for what will be its main use (extreme metal). So, i'm wondering where i can find what i'm looking for..? When i first found the ABII, i was basically looking for a bass that played like my Moses Starhawk and sounded like my Warwick Thumb. I found a bass that was ergonomically superior to anything i've ever touched, and while not having quite the growl of the Thumb, it did an absolutely kickass job in every mix it was used, and showed itself alot more versatile than the Thumb. I dont see myself going "back" to anything parallell fretted as my main bass in the near future, so.. What i need is a Dingwall that provides the punch needed alongside a wall of distorted guitars, growling vocals and a bunch of drumming, while still beeing transparent enough to be heard somewhat distinctly through the mix..? Is there anything available that will give me this, AND be versatile enough to do other stuff decently as well? Or am i asking too much? Should i just find someone with an AB2 who wants to trade for a pristine beauty of a Z1 with some cash inbetween and settle with that...? (Or is there anyone with a well balanced Ovangkol DW w/mec's AND fd3's lying around? :lol: ) pointers to the kind of tone i need: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PluKQiJ50iY (pretty bad sound quality, but some soloed bass parts so you should get an idea): 4 first songs @ http://www.myspace.com/bloodredthrone666 Mineral @ http://www.myspace.com/kellysatheistwebsite
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What about an SJ? I don't have an SJ5, but my SJ4 can be punchy, if that's what your looking for. I couldn't tell about the bass tone from the links you posted - the drop-tuned guitars and the machine-gun bass drumming covered the bass up. Seems like the bass is the least important part of speed metal - it's hard to tell what's going on with it because everything else is so over the top. Mark
12 years ago
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Thats why i posted links where you can hear something :D Half the reason why i like the dw's for this is the 37" b, so dont think an sj will be the answer in this case.
12 years ago
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Do you have a Mach II bridge pickup? I'm thinking you need more mids. The trick is to find the hole where the guitars and drums are weakest. I'd start with your eq set flat, then start boosting your mid and experimenting with the frequency. Once you're sucessful here, then you can add a little bottom end to fill things out, but don't add too much. The tone will probably not sound too pleasing soloed, but the important thing is how it sounds in the mix.
12 years ago
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Bassist Erlend Caspersen of Blood Red Throne is pretty good btw :D
12 years ago
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Which AB II did you own? Old or new one? The new one with a Mach II in the bridge position will give you the low mids you are looking for (sounds thicker than the old AB II too). The Z1 is a very transparent, great bass yet very different to the AB II (old or new) still very cutting in the high mids If mid-definition is what you are looking for, then any SF equipped bass will suffice, or a SJ5 (SF equipped as well) My .02
12 years ago
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old fd-mics in both z and ab. and yeah, erlend is a good friend of mine. his solution was to buy a warwick and put on the dw neck & bridge, haha.
12 years ago
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I agree w/Sheldon, you need to try a MII in the bridge and the neck for that matter. If you think you need a phat single coil tone to cut properly I'd go with Nordy Big Singles. They just happen to fit perfectly in a Dingwall with the poles reversed.
12 years ago
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It looks so cool with the exposed poles.
12 years ago
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[quote="Sheldon Dingwall":2eq0gx1q]Do you have a Mach II bridge pickup? I'm thinking you need more mids. The trick is to find the hole where the guitars and drums are weakest. I'd start with your eq set flat, then start boosting your mid and experimenting with the frequency. Once you're sucessful here, then you can add a little bottom end to fill things out, but don't add too much. The tone will probably not sound too pleasing soloed, but the important thing is how it sounds in the mix.[/quote:2eq0gx1q] I did what Sheldon suggests here (installed a Mach II in the bridge) and have never looked back. I also boost the low mids around 200Hz or so (doubly so with the Super Fattys on my Z3) on the amp. Can sound a bit harsh if taken to extremes, but I get heard w/o pushing the volume to excess. I'm playing regular distorted guitar rock, not metal distorted guitar rock, though. I couldn't be happier with the way this worked out for me. Since you mention Warwick, something worth considering, maybe, is seeing if the MEC 60205s would fit the route on the Z1 and if it will work well installed at an angle. That's another great sounding pickup IMO. http://www.mec-pickups.de/modules/produ ... 5038&cl=EN
12 years ago
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Phoncible, there's a chance you might have 4 lead pickups installed already. Have a look inside the control cavity. You can send me a photo if you like and I'll have Jeff give you wiring directions to wire the neck pickup in series.
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Hey. Playing with the mids is basically all i've been doing for the last two weeks, soloed & in a mix. Comparing the clean ab-sound & the clean z, i just think the ab leans more towards the sound i got in my head. So, correct me if i'm wrong, but if a pickup switch brings me closer, shouldnt an ab with the same modifications put me pretty much dead on..? Anyway, the bass isnt going anywhere until i get a satisfying offer, so i'm open to any changes pointing me in the right direction, and if i can push the sound i like out of this i'll be one happy camper! This is the control cavity: [img:2h7wwgj0]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r173/Phoncible/dwback.jpg[/img:2h7wwgj0]
12 years ago
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Thanks for the photo. This bass is pre-MachII pickups. You'd need to replace at least the bridge pickup and possibly the neck pickup if you wanted the more mid-heavy Mach II tone.
12 years ago
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[quote="Phoncible":370jvw8g]Hey. This is the control cavity: [img:370jvw8g]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r173/Phoncible/dwback.jpg[/img:370jvw8g][/quote:370jvw8g] I know we're all thinking it so I'll say it - that is one sexy control cavity! (off topic sorry)
12 years ago
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ok thanks. and yeah, its fun to see this cavity compared to i.e. my moses bass, haha.
12 years ago
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That black finish is just plain HOT! If you're up for the Mach II replacement, might be worth doing only the bridge pup 1st to see if that gets the job done for you. I can switch between Mach II and FD-3 on my ABII neck pup, but I don't use it in Mach II mode too much. It was the bridge pup that really made the biggest difference in getting heard in the mix.
12 years ago
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[quote="John H.":e06vrele]That black finish is just plain HOT! If you're up for the Mach II replacement, might be worth doing only the bridge pup 1st to see if that gets the job done for you. I can switch between Mach II and FD-3 on my ABII neck pup, but I don't use it in Mach II mode too much. It was the bridge pup that really made the biggest difference in getting heard in the mix.[/quote:e06vrele] I have the same combo on my Voodoo 6. I agree - the bridge MachII is where you get the mids that cut. Mark
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